Jeff begins by asking Yul how important finding the idol was, "in the totem pole of events." The...what? The "totem pole"? I think Jeff has been spending too much time with his head in the ceremonial herb smoker. Yul plays along but deftly reflects the metaphor, simply calling finding the idol "huge" and saying that the game involves lots of luck, and that he got sent to the island at the right time. He thinks the key to winning is "maximizing the good luck and mitigating the bad luck." And in the end, he got to use the idol the way he wanted, which was not to just "save [his] butt one time, but to really change the game up." Quite true. I'll bet it's incredibly frustrating to host this thing and have somebody explaining it so rationally. There's part of me that thinks this should be the end of the show, like now, it's been mastered, and we've learned all we're going to, and it's time to go home.
But because commerce and art both march us inexorably toward Fiji, Jeff asks how Yul reacted when Candice and Jonathan chose to mutiny. Yul says his first thought was, "We're screwed." Heh. We now see that Jonathan is directly behind Yul in a very nice, dove-gray velvety jacket, and he's got his hair all...suburban-dad, kind of, but not in a bad way at all. It's different. It's...more flat? And...maybe darker? But good? Anyway, Yul says that Raro had both numbers and "size" (Adam and Nate being the thick-trunked trees they were, and Jonathan being no feeble thing himself). Yul says that, of course, at the time the mutiny happened, he didn't realize that Ozzy was an "amazing challenge demon." So at that moment, Yul certainly thought his team's run was over.
Candice is asked why in the hell she chose to mutiny. I consider this an extremely good question, because...seriously. It's not very surprising that she goes on to completely not answer the question, because she talks about the decision to flip, which isn't the issue. The issue is why she didn't just wait until the merge, and I suspect the reason that she doesn't answer that question is that...there isn't a very good answer, and "I wanted to hang out with my friends" has the advantage of truth and the disadvantage of making you look dumb. Since she's probably not dumb (too much goodwill from too many people in post-show interviews), Candice probably doesn't want to sound like she is. "It didn't work out, but it was fun," she says good-naturedly. So she didn't give much of an answer, but she didn't dig much of a hole, either. Had she attempted to explain in great detail how she had a master plan for victory that absolutely required her to mutiny at that moment, I wouldn't have believed her anyway. Jeff defends Candice by saying that, in the game, you have to "make big moves." Interfering at tribal council, for instance.