Joe: We just let them go where they were going. They would have never wound up going to Lyon, because they have the ticket checked by the conductor. He would have said, "You're in the wrong car, this car's going to Lyon, you need to be six cars forward, sitting in seats number 55 and 56."

Miss Alli: Uh-huh. Yeah. And so --

Joe: And the whole thing is that we just didn't want to sit with them all. And had we told them -- actually, we did consider telling one team, "We need to get off in Avignon," but here you've got three teams all sitting there together, so you can't just tell one, "Hey, you've got to get off early here," without telling the other two.

Bill: There were times like that all the time where you're strategizing on which team do you ally with, you know, to help to move up in the pack, and then you know, because of the way we bunched and were always together, it was difficult to do anything like that.

Miss Alli: So did you enjoy the extra-long stay at the palace in India? Because it seems to have been very popular with the other contestants.

Bill: It was incredible. It was like a four-star hotel, I mean, gorgeous. It was a palace. And it was nice also, because we'd just been through some pretty rough days, in really squalid conditions, I mean, that overnight train, and the dust, which of course had the airborne bacteria in it, and at least half the contestants were getting bronchitis, and were really tired, so it was -- we needed that. It was a great rest. Beautiful setting. You felt a little isolated, you felt like, we're out here in the middle of nowhere, India, like, where are they going to take us next? It was a little unsettling in that way, also. And also very surreal, because we watched the Oscars.

Miss Alli: Now, I'm a little out of order here, but you had read -- we originally started talking because you had read the Esquire interview, and you seemed to want to address a little bit…the Flying Wedge.

Bill: Yeah, and it's a pretty simple thing, I thought this through, 'cause I didn't want to belabor the point, because as you had said in that interview, or as one of the contestants -- either Rob or Brennan had said in that interview, everything's been said about it. Well, you know, I thought about it, and this is my answer to that, is -- it boils down to the fact that it was a line. And all Americans -- you know, because everyone involved in this show were Americans -- is when you approach a situation that is a line, and I'm not talking about crossing a border country or anything, just simply the fact that it was a line, you're standing in a queue, and so whoever is there first gets in line very orderly and walks through. Yes, I did intentionally do everything that it looked like I was doing to try to delay everyone, and maybe make them miss their plane -- which wasn't going to happen, because they were being led by Air France personnel -- if everyone had gotten behind us in line in an orderly fashion, and walked through, that would have been the case. But what happened when the Air France person walked up, is some contestants asked us to step aside and get out of their way. We had our boarding passes, we had every reason to be in that line. And...'nuff said, that's really the whole thing, had everyone just gone through in a very orderly fashion, as we normally do when we're in line, and as we had until that point in the race, nothing would have happened. They would have pulled the plug on my little plan.