Joe: She was shoved by Drew.

Bill: Shoved by Drew, or she pushed past my arm. She never showed her passport through that passport control area, so actually, she broke the law also, at that point.

Joe: Yeah. And all these security people, I mean, they're Army people, everybody in foreign airports is walking around with Uzis. This thing seems to be taking on a life of its own in the telling or whatever, so that now suddenly, we were -- Uzis were pulled on us, and all this other bull...[or that] we could have been eliminated from the race for causing this...

Bill: And now let me -- okay, yeah, wait. Now let me address to you what production felt about this incident. It was a race with very many rules, and many times, contestants were given penalties, as were we in Ferrara, Italy, along with Margarita and Frank, when they felt we had broken a rule, and in actuality, it was an interpretation of a clue, but about this particular incident, we were never talked to, reprimanded, or in any way given a penalty for what we did. The producers were instructed from the cameramen and sound men who were their eyes and ears in every situation, they were all interviewed, and none of them said that we did anything wrong.

Miss Alli: Okay. Now you brought up, when you commented on this a few days ago, you brought up the fact on the forums that, you said, "Drew apologized to me for the 'break your legs' comment." And I wasn't sure what kind of connection you're trying to draw.

Bill: Okay, that was in the same -- that was about 45 minutes to an hour later was when all of this happened. And the point was that everyone keeps bringing up about this Tunis airport incident, like, how come the Guidos weren't penalized? It's because we didn't break a rule. In actuality, the only person that broke a rule that day was Drew, when he verbally assaulted me. Those were the first words in the whole race that Drew ever said to me.

Miss Alli: Did you take that seriously?

Bill: Yeah, I had never spoken to Drew, I -- in India, that was when we finally talked about all this -- in India, when we talked, he explained himself to me. I did take it seriously. I'll tell you, as a young gay man, I was beaten up many, many times in high school and grade school, and I'm not going to go into great detail, but I felt verbally threatened when he said that. He's physically bigger than me, and yeah -- now I'm not -- now I'm not a small person myself. I'm six feet tall, I'm 180 pounds, so not -- what you're not seeing is what's going on in my mind. In my mind, I'm still that weak little kid getting beat up in school. And that's baggage that I carry, I don't blame Drew for that. That's my own personal problem.