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Like you probably are, I'm still reeling from last night's election results, not to mention CNN's amazing election coverage (more on that later, but seriously -- holograms?! Yes!), but being the dumb TV addict that I am, my thoughts after last night's early results call immediately went from, "Whoa! Everything's going to change! No pun intended!" to "Ahh, crap. I hate Fred Armisen's Barack Obama impression. Oh well, at least Jason Sudeikis' Joe Biden rules." Seriously. That's pretty much a verbatim transcript. My brain? After witnessing a milestone historic event? Immediately went there. Yes, I know. I am why the terrorists hate us. Watch some awesome Sudeikis Biden and some less awesome Armisen Obama, in case you don't know what I mean, and tell me what a disgrace I am below. Sponsored Links
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Oh, I totally agree. It took me a few more minutes but I'm not a fan of Armisen's Obama either. I'm hoping next year they get an awesome new cast addition who can knock Armisen outta there.
I have always thought that Fred Armisen's Obama is very good! I don't see why no one likes it! He does a great job and on the occasion when SNL is actually funny, he can often be the one behind it!
hey Obama is the best. Who's weith me?
I think what it comes down to is that for most people the common perception is what is there to make fun of when it comes to Obama? Wow! Look at that dude! He's so...well spoken? Totally devoted to his family? Really calm?
And that's not even touching on everyone walking on eggshells because of the race factor. Which is total BS.
If you're a political junkie or an Illinois resident, you know that Obama is actually a very funny and down to earth guy. It's okay to laught at him! He won't be offended! He'll probably laugh back!
So SNL, fire Armisen. Hire someone who is actually funny (and you're allowed to pick a Black dude. It's not racial profiling, I promise.) Loosen up. If Obama says or does something goofy, call him on it. The country will thank you for it.
hopefully obama won't do anything that calls for being made fun of, so that we won't be subjected to armisen's take. oh, and you know, because it would be good for the country to not have a screw-up in the white house... :)
It's the writing that's not funny. The problem is that everyone at SNL seems to worship Obama, so instead of making fun of him for say, cutting ties with everyone shady he's been linked to, or having him make hyperbolic claims about saving the world or something, they're just letting Armisen regurgitate things he's actually said. His impression is pretty accurate, he's just not saying anything funny.
Yeah I actually pretty instantly thought about how unfunny SNL will now be. Again. Some more.
It might be the impression, but I think that the writers are afraid (or too blind) to take jabs at Obama. Messiah Complex? Huge, vague promises? Oprah? There's plenty there to poke fun at, but no one seems to be doing it.
I think Armisen's impression has at least improved a bit during the last few months. When watching the SNL Presidential Bash, we could see his earlier impression during the Hillary debates. That was awful.
I think Sudeikis has Biden's expressions down, but does Biden really yell that much? I never notice Joe yelling as much as Jason does.
How is Armisen's Obama impression in any way off? It's pretty dead-on. As others have said, they haven't done any sketches where Obama has said or done anything funny - but that's hardly Armisen's fault.
I think they held off from any real satire until the guy actually won (WOOT!)... but now, yes, they can have more fun with him and hopefully get a better ringer :-)
But that is the problem - Obama has done nothing worth being made fun of yet, so all the comedians are screwed, not just Armisan. John Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Jay Leno - all in a panic now about how to be funny about the president elect.
I agree! Biden seems more smiley than loud to me...
why does everyone forget about MadTV - a far superior show. It's funnier and has better comedians who unfortunately don't get the same recognition as SNLers. Where's Nicole Sullivan now? Will Sasso? Michael McDonald? Sure, they get bit roles in shabby sitcoms and even Alex Borstein has had huge family guy success thanks to Seth McFarlane. But why isn't Ike Barinholdz getting his own talk show? He's cuter AND funnier than Jimmy Fallon and he doesn't fall apart laughing in sketches. Point is, if you want a good Obama impersonation, look no farther then Michael Keeghan Key. And Bobby Lee? Does an awesome McCain.
You inadvertently point out the real issue: SNL typically transcends politics in the name of humor (and should), but they since they clearly wanted Obama to win the election, they steered clear of doing anything but simply representing him. I agree with a previous poster that he seems to have a great sense of humor about himself. They could make fun of the fact that he has big ears, something, but they don't. I think I might be more offended if they started taking jabs at him now because it would only substantiate the hypothesis of their protection of him.
Well, everyone knows Obama is the most perfect politician to ever grace our pitiful little lives in this pitiful little country. There is not one flaw about him because he can part the Red Sea and walk on water and he will save us all! Never mind that he has no experience, has no reform record of any kind, changes his personality every month or two according to what is popular, and has the media all but too eager to bend over backwards to make him look as good as possible in every way.
The simple fact is: Obama is a politician and politicians in their very nature are easy to make fun of and the only reason SNL hasn't is because their either too blinded by the hype or too scared to do so. Obama's connection to Rev. Wright alone could have been a hilarious skit. It's kinda sad really to see SNL just fall into line with everyone else.
YES!!! THANK YOU!!
There was an interview last week on NPR with political cartoonists about this very thing. They were concerned about an Obama win because he doesn't offer a lot to make fun of. Same for SNL.
I agree that Armisen's impersonation is awful, but SNL does not worship Obama. Has everyone forgotten about how they practically endorsed Hillary? In the primaries they poked a lot more fun at Obama than they have of late.
Jason's Biden may not be completely accurate, but it's hysterical.
I have no problem with Armisen's portrayal, but do agree that SNL has thus far given Obama an easy ride. While only too happy to sabotage the Republican ticket (lucky for us, both for the resulting Fey-stival and last night's results), they really did seem reluctant to do any harm to Obama's reputation and election chances. The Veeps-in-waiting took most of the flak, and their shots at Biden were so broad that they wouldn't likely hurt the Democrats in any significant way. Darrell Hammond's McCain was if anything way too subdued (almost sedated), without going for the gusto and playing up the weird stiff-arm thing he does.
Overall, though, they seemed to do a good job of reflecting the candidates' defining characteristics, which explains why Palin came off as the most funny/ridiculous of the four.
My favorite political impression on SNL is Kristin Wiig's Nancy Pelosi. There's something to be said about a woman who can make you crack up just by her eye movements.
The best SNL on Obama was the animatation of Obama hiding from Sharpton and Jesse Jackson--sending them on bogus African missions, having them kidnapped, etc. That was sharp and satirical, not hero-worshipping, and also hilarious. More TV Funhouse on Obama! Less Armisen!
I totally agree Nadine. I was just about to post the same thing. As for "worshipping" Obama, just last week Colbert had a bit making fun of Obama for misquoting Fred Sanford. Funny stuff. While he's not a human gaffe machine like Bush, or even Biden, I seriously doubt that comedians will avoid taking advantage of whatever comedy they CAN glean from the future president.
Armisen is hilarious in everything but this, so I don't want him fired at all. I love his political comedian character on the SNL news. There just isn't anything really funny yet about Obama. I also didn't think Poehler's Hillary was very accurate either, but she's great in everything else. Jason S is a riot as Biden though. I hope he stays on SNL another 4 years.
Eh, I disagree. Even when Hillary was the front runner, the jokes were all about how she's a bitch, a ball-buster, etc. There was one Democratic primary skit that focused on all the male candidates being accused of sexism during debates and if I remember corectly, they didn't even represent Obama in it because it was the night he appeared on SNL.
Personally, I do think that SNL/Daily Show/Colbert Report went easy on Obama because they wanted him to win and hey, that's totally within their right. They don't have any responsiblity to the American public to be completely impartial.
And really, SNL wasn't that hard on McCain. The worst thing was probably the last debate skit where John McCain had an imaginary friend (???) which was not really funny. They were much harder on Palin, who kind of brought the attention on herself.
Ugh- I think Armisen does an AWFUL Obama impression. And did they actually darken his face for this? That's what the video seems to show? Puh-leeze. If he did a good enough impression of Obama, he wouldn't have to resort to that. I agree that it's harder to find things to laugh about with Obama, but I think there is also a little reticence on the show's part about Obama. Hopefully they will get over this, and also find a comedian who does a better portrayal.
I have to figure out some way to work the phrase 'Jerkwadder' into my daily life. For some reason that makes want to piss my pants.
Ugh, Armisten is just plain awful. I actually think his Obama has improved slightly, but his other characters are just plain unfunny. "Nicholas Fehn" was mildly amusing the first time, but now it's the same (unfunny) joke over and over. Seriously, how much mileage can you get out of not finishing your sentences?
I think Armisten is okay as Obama. He's gotten better with time. But I agree that Michael Keeghan Key is way funnier, and Mad TV is just better in general at dealing with celebrities of color because they actually have comedians of color (and presumably writers) on the show.
SNL is a bit... white bread. Which is maybe why they are able to get great hits on Palin, McCain, and Biden, but not on Obama.
I heard an interview with Seth Meyers, where he called Amy Poehler's Palin Rap as "one of the great moments of performance in SNL history." It was, but it wasn't any better than Key's Obama singing about Oprah Winfrey on Mad TV. And where else could you have the same performer playing both John McCain and Kim Jong Il?
The problem isn't liberal bias.The problem is that SNL hasn't had any real minority talent since Eddie Murphy left. Chris Rock is a funny stand up comedian, but his SNL tenure was awful. The talent is out there. In Living Color, MAD TV and Chapelle's Show proved it, but the best Lorne Michaels can do is hire the guy who did the Good Burger movie. Hire better talent and the Obama sketches will improve
John McCain's wierd stiff-arm thing is due to his broken arms not being set properly when he was a POW.
Did you make fun of Bob Dole's inability to use his right arm, too, due to it being injured in World War II?
While I do agree on the impression not being funny at all, I think SNL really did a good job showing a funny side of Barack Obama in the 4:00 AM Hillary Clinton ad, where Barack calls Hillary at 4:00 in the morning and regrets his cabinet's apointments, and hides the fact that he is a smoker and foul-mouthed, I think it's time for SNL to just go all the way there, even if it isn't true, who cares? everyone knows he is great and has a sense of humor.
The SNL parodies of Presidential candidates has always been over top top. Hillary's not that bitch, Palin's not that folksy, and Biden's not that loud, but by exaggerating those qualities, you can get more comedy out of politicians then by playing them absolutely straight and accurate. Jason's Biden during the cold open of Jon Hamm's episode wasn't dead on accurate, but it was over-the-top and THAT'S what made it funny, taking a gaffe and running with it.
As for Fred's impersonation, as long as it falls into the "hell, close enough" vein, I can buy it. Hartman's Reagan wasn't that accurate, and Chase's Ford wasn't even CLOSE. But they made it work.
Not to mention the fact that O(phrah)Bama is just boring! There is nothing interesting about him to lampoon, so actually Armisens impression is pretty good. It is O(prah)Bama who is lame.
The fact is that Armisen's impression just sucks. The voice and style of speaking is just off. I had hoped with all the attention they were getting with the election, they'd find someone else for the impression. Four years of that impression is going to be difficult to watch.
That's it in a coconut shell. It's not guilt or pesky politically correct strictures at fault. SNL's satire is colorless because so is its writing staff. MadTV has never had a problem with skewering or showcasing black folk. And let's not forget what Bobby Lee brings to the mix. MadTV has had Latino cast. The talent is out there. Too bad SNL culture seems so closed to it.
The sad thing is that Lorne didn't even get the "funny" Good Burger actor.
The sad thing is that Lorne didn't even get the "funny" Good Burger actor.
The sad thing is that Lorne didn't even get the "funny" Good Burger actor.
Sorry about the repeat post. My computer is acting all weird.
Yes, the whole point of the presidential impressions is to exaggerate for comic effect: let's not forget this is comedy, where anything can and should go, whether it's Gerald Ford's clumsiness or Bob Dole's tightly-clutched pen (Norm MacDonald, anyone?). Let them find their own way into the character, but there shouldn't be limitations on how they go about it. It is, after all, a comic interpretation.
On the subject of Chevy Chase's Ford, it's worth noting that SNL pioneered the presidential parody, and that at the outset, the greatest concession made to physical accuracy was to dust Dan Aykroyd's moustache to match his Carter-greyed hair -- a far cry from today's wigs, appliances and (occasionally, gasp!) pigmentation. Audiences now expect big-budget production values with their parodies, but it's still what the performer does with it that makes it. Ms. Fey's a good example of the resemblance being dead-on but the performance being the clincher.
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