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Sorry, 24 and BSG, but there's no returning series I'm looking forward to this winter more than Lost. After a shaky third season, the show returned to gloriously mind-bending form last spring, culminating in an amazing finale. So one week before the release of Season 4 on DVD, and just over six weeks before the January 21, 2009 start of Season 5, it was a thrill to participate in an online media roundtable with executive producers/masterminds Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. Of course, getting spoilers out of them is harder than moving an island, but they did drop a few tantalizing clues about the new season, along with plenty of insights into their storytelling process, the characters that surprised them, the Stephen King novel that's still an inspiration, the cult TV show they may have ripped off and much more.
Looking back at season 4, what, for you, was the pivotal moment in that season, and why?
Damon: Hard to pick, but the one that immediately leaps to mind is the scene in the finale between Jack and Locke in the greenhouse. Obviously, the ramifications of Locke telling Jack (once again) that he's not supposed to leave the island, but if he does, he must lie about everything that happens is essentially what kicks off the entire story of the Oceanic Six. We think it's really cool that it was actually Locke's idea, even though Jack doesn't present it that way. And now that Jack is standing over Locke's coffin, the relationship between these two men becomes really central to the endgame of our story.
How did last winter's writers' strike impact the show? Watching season 4 on DVD, is there a noticeable difference between the pre-strike and the post-strike episodes?
Damon: Hopefully not. The fact of the matter is that we designed out -- at least roughly -- the entire 16-episode season, planting flags as to what would happen where in the grand scheme of things. In that original design, there were a couple of episodes focusing more on the Freighter Folks (Faraday, Miles and Charlotte) that got pushed into this season, but more importantly, things like Jack's appendicitis and Keamy arriving at New Otherton and killing Alex happened sooner than we had planned due to the collapsed schedule. I think if there's a sense of separation between the first eight episodes (ending with "Meet Kevin Johnson") and the final six hours, it's that the story is really moving at a much higher rate of speed than we're traditionally accustomed to.
Did season 4's structure of flashbacks and flash-forwards embolden you to experiment even more in season 5?
Damon: Yes, the fact that the audience embraced switching gears on the show from "reverse" to "drive" emboldened us to get a little more loose with how we drive (as long as we're never in neutral!) the story. The cool thing about season 5 is that it takes a little while for your brain to fully absorb how the story is unfolding... but hopefully, once it does, you'll realize we're trying something new yet again.
Will there still be flashbacks and flash-forwards in season 5?
Carlton: Yes, there will still be flashbacks and flash-forwards, but we are not limiting ourselves to those ways of transitioning between stories. We still love doing them and will when appropriate. There are still some cool flashbacks left to tell for our characters.
We saw a lot of Christian Shephard in season 4. Does his re-appearance tie into the empty coffin Jack discovered back in season 1?
Damon: Indeed it does... and I think its safe to say you'll be seeing Christian again in season 5. And what's up with those white tennis shoes he was wearing back in season 1?
You've previously confirmed that Michael is dead and it would appear that Claire has also taken a dirt nap. But we're still left hanging on Jin's fate. Will the latter two characters' fates be resolved in season 5?
Damon: I would beg to differ on Claire's alleged "dirt nap" (unless you mean taking a nap on dirt) -- didn't we see her last sitting in a cabin with the mysterious Christian Shephard? As for Jin, we'll definitely be seeing more of him in season 5. But as we're moving through past, present and future, who knows when we'll see him.
There is a lot of concern amongst many fans over how the show will work without the chemistry of the full ensemble. Is that separation something you will address in season 5?
Damon: We're concerned, too! I think everyone, writers and fans alike, feels the show is at its best when our characters are together, but the fact of the matter is that the story is constantly twisting and turning to keep them apart. Let's face it: absence makes the heart grow fonder, but there's nothing sweeter than a reunion. All we're willing to say at this point is that if we were to spend the entire duration of Season 5 with the Oceanic Six trying to get back to the island, we are fully aware that the audience would strangle us.
Speaking of sweet reunions... Desmond's reunion with Penny at the end of Season 4 was one of the greatest moments of the series so far. Nothing's going to happen in the new season to jeopardize their happiness, right? Right?
Damon: I'm sorry. Wrong. Wrong.
Are we ever going to see backstories for Rousseau, Libby and/or Walt, or will they fall by the wayside now that there are only 34 episodes left?
Carlton: Let's just say you will get more information about Rousseau and Walt at least. We can't comment about who will or won't get full-on flashbacks. Obviously as the story moves forward we'll be answering questions at a faster rate. But some stories -- like Libby's -- we feel are pretty much finished.
Will we ever get an answer to lingering questions like what's up with the four-toed statue from the season 2 finale?
Carlton: Yes, more on the four-toed statue to come! In fact, (spoiler) the four-toed statue might come to life in the Zombie Season. As we roll into the end of season 5 and certainly in season 6, the show will definitely be much more in answer mode. [Note: The never-to-exist Zombie Season 7 is a running joke on the official Lost podcast.]
How has having a fixed end date for the show impacted you as writers?
Carlton: Our approach to the storytelling changed drastically once we were able to negotiate an end date to the show. Before that, we didn't know if the mythology had to last two seasons or seven seasons. Once we knew there were only going to be 48 episodes of the show left, we were able to start charting out the remaining journey. We approach it on three levels: First we have discussions about the uber-mythology and plant the big landmark events in rough locations. Then at the end of each season, we have a writer's mini-camp where we discuss the arc of the upcoming season in great detail. Then we break each individual episode and see where we end up at the end of each break. We give ourselves a fair bit of latitude to listen to the show and react -- writing more or less for various characters or situations depending on how they play.
The storyline has really progressed to the point where the science-fiction/fantasy elements can't really stay in the subtext anymore. Is that liberating for you as writers, or did you prefer the science vs. faith ambiguity of the earlier seasons?
Damon: It actually is liberating... but at the same time, the show constantly forces us to evolve. We can't go back to the ambiguity of Season 1 because our characters have experienced so much since then. Carlton and I often talk about [Stephen King's] The Stand: the story starts with something scientific, an epidemic that kills off 99 percent of the world's population, but slowly and steadily transforms into a mystical tale where people are having prophetic dreams and, finally, literally ends with the hand of God coming out of the sky and setting off a nuclear device. Our story has always been about a journey, but just because we're embracing some of the more fantastical aspects of the island doesn't mean we're completely abandoning the science vs. faith of it all.
By having shorter seasons now, do you feel the storytelling has become much easier -- or do you sometimes wish you could have three more episodes?
Damon: The storytelling has never been easy, but we've always felt that less is more. The complaint that we got most often in the first couple seasons of the show is that we were not moving the story forward fast enough -- "stalling" -- which, unfortunately, is a necessary tactic when you're doing 25 episodes a year. The truth is that we actually liked those episodes low on incident ("Claire sends a message on a bird," anyone?), but the show is much more fun to write when we can just power through and give you guys a hearty meal as opposed to a zillion little courses that never quite get you full.
Growing up, was there a show that you watched that particularly influenced your career in television or your writing style?
Damon: I was a TV junkie growing up. Other than watching endless hours of cartoons (Thundercats, Voltron and yes, Smurfs), I loved watching "grown-up shows" with my folks... like Dallas. Perhaps that's where I got my love for melodrama! The show that really affected me, however, was Twin Peaks, which I'd watch every week with my dad. He'd tape the show on his VCR (remember those?) and we'd watch the episode again right after it aired in our quest to pull every last clue out of the show. The idea of a TV show being a mystery and a game that spawned hundreds of theories obviously was a major precedent (that's a fancy way of saying we ripped it off) for Lost.
It's common knowledge that the character of Ben was originally intended to be a more minor character, but he clicked with audiences so much that his role was extended. Which other characters or actors suprised you in terms of how much audiences did or did not take to them?
Carlton: Good question. And you're right about Michael Emerson. He's the biggest example of a character that we just fell in love with beyond our expectations. I would say Desmond would also be in that category. The audience really fell in love with him right from the get-go and he quickly moved right into the mainstream of our cast. Nikki and Paulo were less successful. We tried to introduce them out of the show's chorus as it were and the audience cried foul. We listened and killed them off.
In light of that, where do you draw the line between making the audience happy and telling the story you set out to tell?
Carlton: It's now kind of a moot point. Moving forward it will be virtually impossible for us to adjust in-season to audience feedback. By the time the show premieres on Jan 21, we will have written 14 of the 17 hours and probably will be deep into the specific scene plotting for the finale. This season we're going to be completely relying on our on instincts and judgments -- combined with the feedback of our collaborators here on the show and at the studio and network.
With the end of the series in 2010 looming, is there a possibility of a Lost feature film after the show is over?
Damon: The answer is no. At least not by us. We've always felt that the show should definitively end the same place it started... on television. To bring our characters to some sort of cliffhanger where the audience gets none of the answers that they really care about and then say, "Now give us ten bucks, buy some popcorn and we'll give you the rest!" would pretty much be the worst thing ever.
How does it feel to know that you're in the home stretch of the series? Has it brought our any personal reflections or feelings that you didn't expect about the process or the story?
Carlton: I think all of us who work on the show know what a special experience it is. Our ability to negotiate an end date to the show so far in advance was, I believe, unprecedented in network TV. It has given us a real sense of what the journey is going to be. Normally when you work on a TV show you never know when it is going to end; you're just trying to survive season to season until the proverbial horse drops out from underneath you. We're not quite far enough along yet to start to wax nostalgic, but I think we all recognize that we've had a chance to do something really extraordinary. I was watching all the bonus features [on the season 4 DVD] and thinking about the special alchemy of Lost. You can do your best as a storyteller but on TV you also need a great cast, crew, directors, composer, etc. You really see on those features what a collaborative art form it is. We are truly blessed that this assembly of talent came together for this project. The journey of making a show over six years and the hours it takes really makes you a family -- and we're about as happy and as functional a TV family as I've ever seen or worked with.
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God these guys rock. Didn't know that about Desmond, who is my favourite character. Can't wait for Lost's return! This season sounds awesome!
As excited as I am, I'm also majorly disappointed for the first time. Libby's character was set up to be so important, then killed, followed with numerous assurances that her loose ends would be tied. Damn shame, especially given all the interesting theories about her out there.
I am also dissapointed with the response to Libby's character. I don't understand why they can't bring her back for "one" episode or integrate her into the storyline for a few just to resolve her storyline. I really liked her.
I'm glad they said they won't do a movie, that way when it's over, it's over. I'm really wanting to know what happened to Claire though and what is in store for the last two seasons. Season 4 was so great and made up for season 3, so I hope this one will be just as good.
Ugh, the more I read about these 2, the less I like them. No Libby? Not even to answer WHY she was in the psych ward with Hurley? Was she a plant for Dharma/Widmore/the Others, or just crazy?
i think you guys are being overly critical. maybe the actress didn't want to be on the show or she had other stuff going on, either way, it does seem kind of random to bring her back when so much time has passed, i think its a good judgment call.
But the thing is that Libby made after-death cameos both in season 3 and season 4. It was always said that her story would be tied up. I hope that thing doesn´t keep unanswered. You can finish that story even without the actress, just making other actors making comments about her life.
I am happy that they are finally letting us know that the libby story is over with...i think with ashow like LOST it's fun to leave some things unanswered. Libby definitely had a cool role in the show and her connections with characters like Desmond and Hurley was always exciting but leaving her story unanswered is cool by me because there are bigger mysteries on the show to solve. For Libby you can just leave it to imagination because i am sure fans have come up with bigger theories and that would have let to dissapointment if the show couldn't work it into an episode...it would feel like an after thought.
I would dearly like to know why Libby was in the Mental Institution with Hurley.....
yeah I'm a little dissappointed with what they said about Libby too. i would have liked there to have been a more sinister plot going on, like she was a player for Widmore observing Hurley and giving Desmond the boat to make sure he pushed that button. But I guess just leaving her story as it is does kind of provide some closure, that she really was just a random character with a past that intertwined, however unlikely, with some of the other characters. But to say you don't care for the writers or the show because of a few unanswered questions seems really unfair, like you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater :)
Thanks for the article Dan, always love reading your interviews!
The thing with characters like Libby is that now we know her mystery won't be answered we can finally interpret her story fully. Perhaps she remembered Hurley from Santa Rosa and was so scared that he would find out she had been mentally ill that she lied to him. It could just have been that innocent. Although why she was in Australia is still unknown we still don't know why thirty other of the Oceanic 815 people were in Australia so not a big deal at the end of the day.
Loved their comments about Claire though, I'm getting tired of people saying that she is dead, just because it's an interesting theory doesn't mean we should accept it as fact, good on Carleton and Damon for trying to dispute it.
If they leave one or two questions unanswered than we will always look at Lost as something we can still theorise on. That way when it's over the overall mystery of the island may still leave us thinking.
It is possible that they learned from the Harold Perrineau return from last year. They told the audience that Michael would be back thus weakening the "WTF?!?" suprise of him being on the boat. Perhaps there is something in the future for Libby (another possible "WTF!?!?" moment) and TPTB are attempting to confuse the audience so they are really, truly surprised when she shows up.
I feel the same way about the whole Libby issue...it just seems sloppy not to wrap it up.
Why does everyone hate Season 3? S3 is my fav of all of LOST, I thought it was really interesting and had a bunch of great character interactions and developments.
Ben and Locke, Charlie and Desmond, Jack and Juliett, Jack and Ben...
Can anyone tell me why they didn't care much for S3?
I LOVED S3 too. S2 wasnt as great as the others for me.
No more Libby? :(
All in all tho, this is the best show of all time and I really have faith in the writers that whatever they choose to do, we wont be disappointed when it is over. We will just remember how amazing and unique it is.
I don't understand the necessity of destroying Desmond and Penny's happiness. I kind of got the feeling from their reunion that they would go off quietly and be together. Why bring them back? Des doesn't need another big "saving the world" moment. There are so many other ends to tie - hurting Des and Penny just goes for the cheap cry.
S3 Hate:
1. Nicki and Paulo. Anyone sad they died? Anyone? Bueller?
2. Jack's Tattoo. Anyone care how he got his tat - did it do ONE thing to drive the story?
S3 Hate:
1. Nicki and Paulo. Anyone sad they died? Anyone? Bueller?
2. Jack's Tattoo. Anyone care how he got his tat - did it do ONE thing to drive the story?
So the writers are obviously winging it. There was no large plan, and there are no answers to all the questions posed. The decision to drop the Libby storyline (after countless assurances that her story was far from over) confirms this for me. All for shock value and a meaningless cliffhanger. I'm disappointed, Darlton.
Of course they are winging it...some of us have been saying that since season 2 lol! I didn't think season 3 was all bad...the bad started 1/2 way through S2 and continued on through 1/2 way S3, more or less. The dropping of Libby's story is symptamatic of the main problems of Lost...throwing out dozens and dozens of mysteries a season, and only 3 or 4 of them being resolved. Then people try and make you feel like a hick or philistine for wanting things answered; you shouldn't have to fill in the blanks of 90% of the story yourself. The only reason I am still watching is because I am heavily invested in most of the characters and just want to see how they end up in the final episode...
No libby resolution is rediculous!!!
I love this show, and I've been a huge apologist for it, but the suggestion that Libby's story is finished is an utter slap in the face. If they want this story to be complete, they have to connect her dots.
I stand with the S3 non-haters! "Man Behind the Curtain" was such a great episode! There were sucky ones though, like the one with Jack's tattoo and Nicki and Paulo.
As for Desmond, I think he will be back because he too left the island! The island is now going to be a constant like character. For them to go back, in time I persume, Desmond has to be there because things can't change. Ben wil be hunting for him to see that the island is "protected" or how ever you wanna put it. Desmond will definatly not want to return as he has Penny now. It's gonna be great for the drama/action. As for Libby, I liked her so I'd like to see a "Surprise! We were just kidding about not bringing her back!" moment, but I'm not holding my breath. I think she was just crazy and really wanted to be with Hurley.
I stand with the S3 non-haters! "Man Behind the Curtain" was such a great episode! There were sucky ones though, like the one with Jack's tattoo and Nicki and Paulo.
As for Desmond, I think he will be back because he too left the island! The island is now going to be a constant like character. For them to go back, in time I persume, Desmond has to be there because things can't change. Ben wil be hunting for him to see that the island is "protected" or how ever you wanna put it. Desmond will definatly not want to return as he has Penny now. It's gonna be great for the drama/action. As for Libby, I liked her so I'd like to see a "Surprise! We were just kidding about not bringing her back!" moment, but I'm not holding my breath. I think she was just crazy and really wanted to be with Hurley.
sorry for the double post. :(
Of course Desmond and Penny aren't going to stay happy. Is everyone forgetting that Ben promised to kill Penny? And can everyone stop fighting about whether or not they are just making it up or not, we will know in May 2010 who is right.
About S3, I really enjoyed the last batch of episodes! Re watching on DVD, it's season 2 that I'm most disappointed in.
Of course Desmond and Penny aren't going to stay happy. Is everyone forgetting that Ben promised to kill Penny? And can everyone stop fighting about whether or not they are just making it up or not, we will know in May 2010 who is right.
About S3, I really enjoyed the last batch of episodes! Re watching on DVD, it's season 2 that I'm most disappointed in.
Please!! Lost writers--you mentioned how you tried to listen to fan speculation of the show. Please, if you aren't planning a "surprise!" with Libby, please reconsider. Bring her character back for closure! I think the majority of us feel that we need to see what her deal was instead of just guessing ourselves. You made her such an interesting character with her connections to Hurley and Desmond, and to leave that unresolved would be a shame. Please bring her back for at least one more episode to wrap up her story!!
Wow i never new there were so many Libby fans!.....Suck it up!...There are more important mysteries left to be solved, i mean it would be nice to get more answers often, but that's the beauty of LOST. I trust the writers of LOST and their work, so I'm OK with whatever the writers write.
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