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This entire post is a discussion of last night's House. If you care about what happens on House, but not enough to have watched last night's episode, yet still enough to freak out on me for "spoiling" something that has already aired, do not click for the full interview. All the sane people, on the other hand, click on ahead for a much-needed explanation of that crazy ass episode by cast member Kal Penn, and executive producers David Shore and Katie Jacobs.
As you've probably heard by now, Kutner killed himself because Kal Penn got offered a job at the White House and has chosen to put acting on hold for a bit to take the gig. And if you haven't heard that by now, I'm totally serious. That is why they killed off Kutner. For real. Obviously, this was a very shocking death, and everybody has their own opinions about it, so Kal and the two EPs got on a media call today to help us all understand it a little better. They were all willing to answer any questions they were asked, but I have to say that after the hour-long call, I was not swayed a bit from my initial reaction to the suicide -- that it was a cheap, sensationalistic stunt that made little sense whatsoever. And they don't deny how little sense it made, by the way. Their defense is that having the suicide of a major character come completely out of left field is okay because it makes the audience feel like the other characters would. I call major bullshit on that, but that's just me, and this post isn't about me, so let's get going on the Q&A!
Were you taken aback at all when they told you they were going to kill you off?
Kal Penn: Obviously, yeah. I mean, you're connected to the character you play, and I loved playing Kutner, so there's a little bit of shock and loss -- more than a little bit of shock and loss -- when I found that out also. So yeah. I was probably as shocked as the audience was when I first found out.
When exactly did you find out Kutner was going to kill himself?
KP: I think I found out when we were shooting episode 17 or maybe halfway through 18, and the first thing I asked David Shore was 'Do you want me to change anything? Do you want this to be informed that he's struggling with something?' And the answer was you know -- not really. This is something that comes out of left field in episode 20, and we don't want to lead anyone on and we don't want to mislead anyone, it just is what it is and there's no explanation for it.
Were those your legs [when Foreman and Thirteen found Kutner]?
KP: They were, yeah.
Can you talk about your decision to leave the show and how long this has been in the works?
KP: Growing up I always had two interests and two passions, one being public service and the other being arts and acting, so it's always been on my mind, I always try to engage in different public service projects, and in the last 18 months having had the opportunity to serve on the Obama campaign, I certainly started thinking about that possibility, and then when that opportunity came up I went to David and Katie and sort of talked about it. It is a little insane because this was an incredible show to have been a part of -- there were certainly no problems -- if anything I was having a great time. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the writers and other actors and obviously David and Katie, so it was tough all around. The word I still use to describe it is bittersweet.
What exactly is the new job?
KP: The job itself is that I will be an associate director in the White House Office of Public Liaison, and what the OPL does is similar in a sense to what I was doing on the campaign. What they try and do is take the administration itself out of Washington, so they go into communities across the country, continue the sorts of dialogue people had started during the campaign and basically ensure that a bunch of citizens' views about their elected officials, about their government are all happening and that they're working effectively. Make sure that a lot of these new voices that have emerged -- especially during the campaign season -- are brought to the table -- Democrats, Republicans, everyone in between - and to build those relationships and kind of embody the types of changes that President Obama had run on.
Just to clarify -- you did talk to the President about this?
KP: Yes, we discussed it briefly.
Does this mean no more Harold & Kumar movies?
KP: [Laughs] That's probably true, yeah.
Do you have any plans to run for office some day?
KP: [Laughs] No.
Does the job allow for any acting projects during your tenure at all?
KP: I won't be acting while I'm working at the White House, no. There's no set time limit -- I definitely intend to go out there for at least a year or two and figure it out. So we'll see. I'm certainly not retiring. I'm not packing up and saying, 'I'm leaving Hollywood' or anything, it's just pursuing another passion right now.
Was it really a suicide for sure, going forward?
Katie Jacobs: Oh, it was a suicide. It was a suicide.
Why have Kutner kill himself, instead of sending the character off another way?
David Shore: I guess obviously stirring the pot brings something to any show. Look, Kal came to us with his opportunities and we were very excited for him, but it created a creative problem for us. I'm very happy with the way it worked out. It gave us an opportunity to do something unexpected, and what's fascinating about it is it's a question that House can't answer, and he's the man who has the answers to everything. And it's just so unexpected for the Kutner character and that was what was really exciting about it -- the unexpected nature of it, and the fact that there are no simple answers, and nothing that House can figure out.
Will someone be brought in to replace Kutner?
KJ: There is no replacement for Kutner.
Did you consider any other ways to have the character leave?
DS: We considered many ways to have the character leave. Ultimately this was the story that allowed us to really have the greatest impact on House in particular. There's an impact on everybody, but in particular the man who craves answers not having an answer. That is what really excited us about this story.
Your thoughts on the departure? Fond memories of Kutner? Wishes that Obama had offered Thirteen a job instead? Leave them all below.
Were you taken aback at all when they told you they were going to kill you off?
Kal Penn: Obviously, yeah. I mean, you're connected to the character you play, and I loved playing Kutner, so there's a little bit of shock and loss -- more than a little bit of shock and loss -- when I found that out also. So yeah. I was probably as shocked as the audience was when I first found out.
When exactly did you find out Kutner was going to kill himself?
KP: I think I found out when we were shooting episode 17 or maybe halfway through 18, and the first thing I asked David Shore was 'Do you want me to change anything? Do you want this to be informed that he's struggling with something?' And the answer was you know -- not really. This is something that comes out of left field in episode 20, and we don't want to lead anyone on and we don't want to mislead anyone, it just is what it is and there's no explanation for it.
Were those your legs [when Foreman and Thirteen found Kutner]?
KP: They were, yeah.
Can you talk about your decision to leave the show and how long this has been in the works?
KP: Growing up I always had two interests and two passions, one being public service and the other being arts and acting, so it's always been on my mind, I always try to engage in different public service projects, and in the last 18 months having had the opportunity to serve on the Obama campaign, I certainly started thinking about that possibility, and then when that opportunity came up I went to David and Katie and sort of talked about it. It is a little insane because this was an incredible show to have been a part of -- there were certainly no problems -- if anything I was having a great time. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the writers and other actors and obviously David and Katie, so it was tough all around. The word I still use to describe it is bittersweet.
What exactly is the new job?
KP: The job itself is that I will be an associate director in the White House Office of Public Liaison, and what the OPL does is similar in a sense to what I was doing on the campaign. What they try and do is take the administration itself out of Washington, so they go into communities across the country, continue the sorts of dialogue people had started during the campaign and basically ensure that a bunch of citizens' views about their elected officials, about their government are all happening and that they're working effectively. Make sure that a lot of these new voices that have emerged -- especially during the campaign season -- are brought to the table -- Democrats, Republicans, everyone in between - and to build those relationships and kind of embody the types of changes that President Obama had run on.
Just to clarify -- you did talk to the President about this?
KP: Yes, we discussed it briefly.
Does this mean no more Harold & Kumar movies?
KP: [Laughs] That's probably true, yeah.
Do you have any plans to run for office some day?
KP: [Laughs] No.
Does the job allow for any acting projects during your tenure at all?
KP: I won't be acting while I'm working at the White House, no. There's no set time limit -- I definitely intend to go out there for at least a year or two and figure it out. So we'll see. I'm certainly not retiring. I'm not packing up and saying, 'I'm leaving Hollywood' or anything, it's just pursuing another passion right now.
Was it really a suicide for sure, going forward?
Katie Jacobs: Oh, it was a suicide. It was a suicide.
Why have Kutner kill himself, instead of sending the character off another way?
David Shore: I guess obviously stirring the pot brings something to any show. Look, Kal came to us with his opportunities and we were very excited for him, but it created a creative problem for us. I'm very happy with the way it worked out. It gave us an opportunity to do something unexpected, and what's fascinating about it is it's a question that House can't answer, and he's the man who has the answers to everything. And it's just so unexpected for the Kutner character and that was what was really exciting about it -- the unexpected nature of it, and the fact that there are no simple answers, and nothing that House can figure out.
Will someone be brought in to replace Kutner?
KJ: There is no replacement for Kutner.
Did you consider any other ways to have the character leave?
DS: We considered many ways to have the character leave. Ultimately this was the story that allowed us to really have the greatest impact on House in particular. There's an impact on everybody, but in particular the man who craves answers not having an answer. That is what really excited us about this story.
Your thoughts on the departure? Fond memories of Kutner? Wishes that Obama had offered Thirteen a job instead? Leave them all below.
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All the best to Kal Penn, wish his character was on the show, hope that 13 gets killed off sooner rather than later. For story purposes.
I'm disgusted. Kutner was really the only likable character on the show. I've always had a love/hate relationship with "House," and last night my hate was made complete. Not even sure I'll keep watching. House's irreverance is wearing thin, and the Cuddy unrequited thing was getting irritating, but then they killed Kutner! BOO House writers! Stop being lazy and come up with some real stories, please. There are better ways to develop main characters outside your formula than killing the only likeable person on the show. I get why he had to leave, and good luck in the new assignment. But I'm totally with you on calling BS on the writers for this stupid attention whoring move.
Err,sorry Alex,but I don't agree with your wishful thinking 'bout 13. Mostly the part 'bout 'Story Purposes'! Frankly,they could kill 'er just for fun... Like drop a Chopper,or a MicroMeteor on 'er head!
The only way I could make this logical in my head is if the writers planned to off or fire everyone on House's current team and go back to the original cottages. Even then, I still cried for 45 minutes after the ending. *sniff* Loved me some Kumar.
I'll miss Kutner, and the explanation as to why it came so out of left field doesn't sit right with me unfortunately. The show has been a little off its game this season, but hopefully they can turn things around.
Yeah, definite bullshit. Best of luck to Kal Penn on the next chapter of his life.
What a fantastic opportunity for Kal! That's wonderful. Congratulations, Kal. Good luck to you.
(Need an assistant? I'm available! *GRIN* No, seriously. I got laid off. I'm totally available. LOL.)
Okay, about the episode. I thought it was a 'what the hell, are you kidding me with this?' sort of shocker. A bit of a stunt, absolutely. And I'm sorry it happened to a character I found likeable, smart and fun.
However, if this in any way means the showrunners will finally start to pare down the excess cast and get back to a tighter-knit group, I would really appreciate it. I miss the smaller cast of the first few seasons. I don't miss Cameron's ridiculous behavior, but I do miss Chase. I miss these original cast characters actually having something to do other than one token scene. How am I supposed to care about them when you finally give them something substantial to do when they've pretty much been background scenery for almost two full seasons? I know the main focus is on House, but if he's not going to go through much emotional development, it would be nice if there were a few characters whose stories do show it.
I watched House originally because of HOUSE. As in, you know, the main character for whom this show was named? It was fun watching him abuse his clinic patients and Cuddy for the first two seasons or so, but then the snark kinda wore thin. I must admit that I was one of pathetic House/Cameron shippers back in Season 1, but then the pairing lost its appeal as Cameron became blonder and blonder, and started doing drugs and Chase (at the same time).
The friendship between House and Wilson was another aspect that drew me into the show. However, even said friendship lost its initial attraction after Freud replaced Robert Sean Leonard.
Sadly, it seems that the House writers have truly run out of interesting plotlines and "twists" that they have to resort to the suicide of a major character (with absolutely NO indications depression/other suicidal tendencies on the character's part beforehand) in order to continue to sell this show.
So, I believe that House as jumped the shark...again.
I actually liked this plot line, both as a realistic depiction of suicide and as a way to really mess with House.
Not everyone who commits suicide acts mopey and depressed, or gives away things, etcetera. Sometimes these things happen and nobody understands why, the person seemed like the last person who would do something like that, and so on. This may be especially true with coworkers rather than friends - do you REALLY know your coworkers that well? Maybe so, but probably not, and probably not ALL of them, either. And House's current fellows have never seemed to me like they were truly friends with each other, so they would be even less likely to know something was up.
Related to that point, House especially is not one to take a personal or friendly interest in people outside of their status as a puzzle to him, or to needle them and get under their skin. However, he considers himself an expert at knowing everything like Taub's cheating, etc. just by observing behavior. I have read this in some of the interviews with the showrunners and I agree - House's total and complete failure to see anything coming in this case challenges his own view of himself as this genius guy who knows everything about people just by observation (like knowing when Wilson had a girlfriend when he started dating Amber, Wilson and his brother, Chase and his dad, etc). On top of that, not only did he not realize anything was going on, now that it happened, he can't figure out why - so, is he no longer the great genius who can solve any mystery? No longer Sherlock Holmes? And if not, then who is he?
I am hoping this leads to some kind of shift in the House character. I love him and Hugh Laurie to death but I agree that five seasons of "House is an a-hole, film at 11" is a lot. I would like to see House really take stock of things and realize that maybe the people in his life like Cuddy and Wilson are more important than keeping up his Genius Yet Jerky attitude, that maybe you need to be a little vulnerable sometimes or else what have you really got?
The reason it came out of left field and House didn't see it coming is because the writers are screwing with him. This is exactly like having a cop develop an insane fixation and break every law just to mess with House - they do it because they can and because they can't think of anything better. This being the reason I don't watch House anymore.
Best of luck to Mr. Penn. I'm especially glad he's decided to actually go work in politics rather than pretend to be an actor while politicking constantly. I might actually listen to him as a result. Alec Baldwin take note.
I liked this episode. But then again, I like House when he is at his most acerbic. The scene where he's talking to Kutner's parents was pure House. He completely disregards people's feelings in search of the solution to the puzzle.
At first, I thought Cameron was right. He was looking for someone else to blame so he wouldn't blame himself. But, as always, Wilson saw through him and knew he was doubting his own abilities. I loved the line when Wilson said he was afraid of what might happen if House ever started to doubt himself.
This gives Cameron a chance to come back, which should create alot of tension with Chase and Cuddy.
Also, I would hate to see 13 go, I don't care if she just stands there and says nothing. She has THE most beautiful eyes I have ever seen.....
It was good to know the real reason why Kal Penn left the show. Not because of writers, etc but for his personal interests in another job.
That being said, while this was probably the a good episode in terms of doing the unexpected and then finally having something that House couldn't even fix beforehand, I found that a line was crossed. From being a drama, to going down the path of being disturbing. I am not afraid to bash the creators of this show on this. So many times they have made fun of killing (or the attempt) a character. Particularly so many false starts in 13 this season. Then comes the black cat episode. And now this. I'm sorry. I get the creative issues in regards to this character. Maybe if they didn't focus so much 13's plight and relationships and actually written the character...I would have been more inclined about his "death". And they permanently axed him. I think that his exit should have been handled better. Not like this. And in a way, maybe this is a sign that I should stop watching the show.
This mostly irks me because here I was thinking that the writers had spent the past year setting this up, showing us pieces of Kutner as isolated (the lone cereal scene at the end of season 4, his claiming Taub as a friend more quickly than Taub was willing to claim him, etc), thinking they were being so clever and subtle. Only to find out that, no, I have apparently been paying closer attention than the writers/producers have and they're just flying by the seats of their pants. This kind of shit pissed me off in BSG, too - I wish writers would just shut the hell up if they came up with something at the last minute for no apparent reason, I'd rather not know.
So, I guess Obama PAYS more than a TV show!!!!!
Actually, no. Kal Penn said in an interview that he is taking a HUGE pay cut to work at the White House, but feels it's worth it to do public service.
To b (not in capitals):
I think that its fair to find the things that connect Kumar with his possible suicide and ignore the intention of the producers because, really, the canon is the story not the people who write it. Think it as the death of Sherlock Holmes by Doyle, he had to bring him back, to me story owns the creator wishes.
So I think that Kumar alone eating cereal, talking to Taub to get "close", becoming quickly friends with mormon guy and going to apologize to a guy he hasn't seen since highschool; all those sound to me like suicide clues and I like it because it makes the character more consistent. Maybe its a coincidence, but there are still many moments (written by several different writers) that should be accounted for. In creation not everything is intention.
Nice interview, but wished you had asked about that abominable Facebook memorial. Best of luck to Kal Penn in his new endeavor. And to DS and KJ, too, as they obviously need it!
He couldn't have "accidentally" taken Thirteen out with the same shot, huh? I'll miss Kutner, I thought he was funny and one of the better characters.
Unlike many comments I actually loved this ep!
First of all it was not the usual 'mystery illness, everybody guessed wrong, House realizes the solution in the end'
2nd no slomo shots Kutner to remember him, but rough, like an unexpected suicide is.
My only worry is that the next ep. will be business as usual. I hope they will use this to move the show of the beaten path into a new unexplored territory.
I really enjoyed the episode, and can't help but think that the issue is more that people are upset about a very likable character leaving the show than there being anything creatively wrong with the story.
While I really enjoyed Kutner as a character, I think the suicide worked very well dramatically, and wasn't at all "cheap." Shocking, yes, but not cheap. We only saw Kutner at work. Who hasn't put on a cheery face at work, even when things in their personal life were bad? Unlike the other Cottages--Taub is married, and 13 and Foreman are together--Kutner has, from what we've seen, no intimate ties. His adoptive parents said that his coworkers knew him better than anybody. That he might have been extremely depressed but hid it at work seems totally reasonable to me. While I've never been depressed, I have suffered with an anxiety disorder, and nobody I worked with or was casually acquainted with knew. In fact, they generally thought I was a very calm, cheerful, and happy person. Often, the worse I felt, the more outwardly calm and happy I'd appear, either because it was easier to put on an "act" or because I genuinely did feel better when I was around others.
I've known people who attempted suicide and nobody had any idea why. I've known relationships that seemed to be the happiest I'd known, where one partner suddenly walks out after many years and nobody knows why. We all have heard stories recently about men who go on murder sprees, who seemed like normal, kind, non-violent people to everybody who knew them. Sometimes people's behavior doesn't make sense based on the behavior that came before, since we aren't inside their heads. I just have a hard time seeing this as lazy storytelling or some sort of cheap trick on the audience.
I agree with the above comment. The fact that people do not really know other people is a bit of a truism. I think the idea that Kutner may have been depressed and may have been very good at hiding it does not have to come out of left field. When I was a child, my grade 7 class read a poem about a man who has everything - handsome, successful, admired - who goes home one night and blows his brains out. Same idea here.
Also, I like 13. Leave her alone. ;-)
The problem is that there wasn't any foreshadowing, which is a huge writer's no-no. The writers handwaved Kutner's suicide, which is hugely frustrating for viewers. We may be looking at the jump the shark moment for this show, if we haven't had it already.
Best wishes in the new job, Kal Penn.