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In January, 2000, MightyBigTV.com was recapping an ambitious sci-fi show created by Joss Whedon (Buffy), a campy high school series produced by Ryan Murphy (Popular) and a teen drama developed by Kevin Williamson (Dawson's Creek), not to mention programs starring Matthew Fox (Party of Five), Calista Flockhart (Ally McBeal), Katherine Heigl (Roswell), Jason Segel (Freaks & Geeks), among many others. Now ten years later, the site is recapping... an ambitious sci-fi show created by Joss Whedon (Dollhouse), a campy high school series produced by Ryan Murphy (Glee) and a teen drama developed by Kevin Williamson (The Vampire Diaries), not to mention programs starring Matthew Fox (Lost), Calista Flockhart (Brothers & Sisters), Katherine Heigl (Grey's Anatomy), Jason Segel (How I Met Your Mother), among many others.
Of course, a million events and innovations revolutionized the television landscape in those intervening years (remember when The Real World was the only reality show?), while Mighty Big TV itself went through major changes throughout the years, beginning with the site rechristening itself "Television Without Pity," which had previously been just its tagline, in 2002. Also at that time, TWoP adopted a new slogan it still displays today: "Spare the Snark, Spoil the Networks."
Since then, the site's mission has never wavered, even through shifts in ownership and stewardship - we still love television when it's good and love pointing out when it's bad even more so. But the snark has expanded to include blogs, photo galleries, video, movie coverage, Tweeting, Facebooking and more as our audience has continued to reach record-high levels. And so as a new decade dawns, with how entertainment content is produced and distributed and how fans access it evolving at a radically quick pace, we can't help but ask ourselves: Does our tagline still reflect everything the site's about? Does it still make sense even though the power of traditional "networks" has faded? Or is it time once again for TWoP's tagline to evolve as well?
We'd like to know what the people who matter the most to us - our readers - think. Should we change the wording in our tagline (while retaining the same meaning)? If so, what should it say? Or is "Spare the Snark, Spoil the Networks" still perfect now and forever? Please post your thoughts in the comment section below or e-mail us directly at twopeditorial@nbcuni.com. We want to hear from you!
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I think the problem with the tagline comes with your current ownership, as long as you are owned by a large media company that also runs networks with shows that you cover, can you truly be arbitrary and unbiased? I still love the tagline, but I don't think your problem has come from expanding what the site covers so much as who's paying for it. That being said, love ya, don't ever leave.
Enjoy reading Television Without Pity and wish all their writers, etc a very happy christmas. Without Twop I would not have been addicted to Gossip Girl (nor understood it!!) nor many others. Don't always agree with the comments but would rather have you than not!!
I would agree with this, except the site still directs its snark at shows on the networks owned by the same company. I love the tagline... don't ever change. :)
I wouldn't change it. I have been on this site since it was MBTV and I don't want EVERYTHING it was to change!
The site has definitely changed. Some of the writers miss basic pop culture references, which they should be embarrassed about, and the bing redirects are very, very annoying. This once was a several times a day visit for me (I've been here almost since the beginning, thanks to Buffy), but now is just an occasional visit. I don't even have it bookmarked anymore.
Keep the tagline - because you need to get back to it! Crikey... only Demian seems to get it anymore, and he's only one recapper!
Grow a pair, Universal. Accept that sometimes the snark will be aimed at you.
I found the site by accident a few years ago, right around the time Lost started. It instantly became an addiction I can't get rid of! Y'all have made me laugh and reaffirmed many of my thoughts from watching various shows. I wouldn't change anything!
I'm still upset Dollhouse has been cancelled, it has been incredible lately.
I got onto this site because of its incredible recaps of "The West Wing", and as a result of coming to TWoP, I have gotten hooked on Firefly, Doctor Who, Torchwood, Chuck, Fringe, Veronica Mars, House, and Pushing Daisies, just to name a few. My undying gratitude goes to everybody at TWoP, but especially your long-gone founders, Glark and Sars.
Don't change it. The thing I love about this site is that it is full of genuinely insightful criticisms of television and pop culture rather than just straight across "recaps" and advertisements disguised as articles. There are plenty of magazine-affiliated sites to go to for that slick stuff. Keep the snark.
After reading all the preceeding comments, I feel prevailed on to write my own love letter to TWoP. I too found this site by accident a couple of years ago whilst googling recaps for ugly betty and desperate housewives. I didn't realise at the time what I had stumbled upon but it sure as hell cracked me up. I spent many hours after that trying to relocate the site, and thank god I did - you guys have provided me with endless hours of procrastination, and introduced a whole host of awesome new shows and brilliantly funny posts and videos (shout out to TV is the answer). so thanks y'all and merry christmas! p.s. don't change the tagline...
I hate some of the changes TWoP has made too, but I do sort of wonder if networks are really the targets of the snark or fan complaints most of the time. Wouldn't something like 'Spare the Snark, Spoil the Showrunners' make more sense?
I have to agree, "Spare the Snark, Spoil the Showrunners" seems to be where it's at right now. (Or maybe it's just that MY snark is aimed mostly at the showrunners...)
Anyway, I have to chime in that I too found this website accidentally (that network contest a few years back got my notice, but the Supernatural forum got me completely hooked), and I now keep up with more shows on here than I ever would actually watch on tv. So thanks for that. :-)
Keep the tagline. In fact make it the mission statement. It feels like in keeping up with the various social networking sites and various other expansions, some things have been allowed to slide. Typos and grammatical errors are far too common.I actually wouldn't mind a bit of a slow down on the many site upgrades/changes. We don't need more bells and whistles, we need good, sharp and witty stabs at pop culture.
Happy ten years TWOP! I have been reading from Ireland for years and I would be lost without this site; it's the only companion to my TV show viewing. I think your tagline is brilliant and clever and still retains that even though the way we watch programmes has evolved. It is after all the networks who are producing etc all the shows...they just don't have as much control as they used to I guess. I think the tagline has become fixated with TWOP so much that if you changed it you would lose something-- the best thing about this site and your writers is the snark. whatever changes you guys will still bring the snark. Happy Christmas and New Year to you all :)
P.S shout out to my personal favourite recappers: Couch Baron, Jacob, Cindy McLennan and all the Lost recappers....including Dan Kwa, IMO one of the funniest ever, if only for ensuring we all still call it Craphole Island and Midsection Beach. Oh and Ace and Sep the Buffy girls-- hours of laughter :)
I'm glad you brought this up...I do remember this site in its earlier incarnations, and when you changed the name and added the tagline, I originally thought it hilarious and clever. Then I realized it made no sense. Maybe I don't get it, but if you're supposed to be "Without Pity" then why are you sparing the snark and spoiling networks? Nitpicking, I know, but it's always seemed odd to me that in the name you declare no mercy, but the tagline says the opposite. Other than that, stay real and happy 10th and many more.
I believe the tagline is a play off of the Bible verse that says "Spare the rod, spoil the child." What it means that you shouldn't do the first part or it will result in the second part. So we do our best not to "spare the snark" because we don't want to "spoil the network," or let them get away with stupid stuff.
It depends on what this site is going to be. For the past couple of years there hasn't been much snark. I found this site several years ago, in the early days. I don't remember how, but I know I was instantly hooked. It used to be the first thing I would check every morning. I even read recaps of shows I never watched, just because I enjoyed the snark so much. I miss the snarky recappers - Shack, Miss Alli, Sars, Wing Chun, Pamie, etc. I loved how stripped down the site used to be. No frills, no fluff, just smart, funny recaps about my favorite (or hated) shows and a forum to talk to others about them. Once this site went "corporate" and got its new image, complete with glossy photos, I knew things would never be the same. And they haven't. I can read objective and intelligent articles and recaps about television on many other sites. I came here because making fun of lame tv is, well, fun. So keep the tagline and bring back the snark, or finally admit you want to move the site into more of a mainstream entertainment site. Just know if you do that, you may lose the few of us loyal fans who have been here since the early days. I don't need another entertainment update site, I can get that from E! Not the smartest writing over there, but at least you know what you are getting and they don't represent themselves as anything else.
Hmm, I guess that's what happens when you have two conflicting interpretations of the same phrase...I looked again and I see both now. :)
Whoah. I can't believe I've been coming to this site for 10 years! I think it was originally the Felicity and Buffy recaps that pulled me in.
I love the tagline, but then a revamp is always nice too. Its a thinker.
Agree with Dianne Opal and Ann. It's not that I don't love you guys- the site is still one of the best- but I've definitely noticed the drop in basic quality of the recap editing (sentences with words missing, characters names mixed up) and in substance- missed pop culture references, misinterpretation of obvious plot points. It's like a lot of the recappers jsut aren't "getting" the show they watch. For example: I loved old House recaps because the recapper had the knowledge and experience to comment on whether the science was bunk and explain medical things that went by quickly, etc. I don't like reading recaps where the recapper literally types something along the lines of, "I don't get science-y things so I'm not going to bother with figuring out or explaining what just happened here."
Dela, try reading it as "[If we] Spare the Snark, [then we will] Spoil the Networks."
Anyway, I've been around since Dawson's Wrap (I'm a champion lurker) and while I hate all the photo galleries/blogs/twitter BS, I get why they have been added. I just ignore them, most of the time. I wish TWoP would recap better-caliber shows and get rid of such dreck as Rock of Love and others of that herpes-infested ilk, but [shrug].
Change it, keep it, I'll keep coming back for more.
My recommendation: only change it if you come up with something epic. If not, why fix what isn't broke? I love you guys! My only complaint is you don't update more often! I read just about everything!
Please keep it. I have been coming here for about 6 years now, and am not thrilled with all of the changes. With exception of Jacob, Demian, Jeff, LuluBates, and some others, the quality of the recaps has diminished. I don;t go to movies and would not miss that coverage at all. I still love the forums, but dearly miss the Rae Dawn Chong contests and similar challenges played out on the pages in the past. The new graphics and ads take FOREVER to load, and the garish pages are nearly impossible to hide at work and have lost the charm of the earlier drawings.
In short, I still enjoy the and come here for quality snark and to keep up with shows that I watch, those I have missed, and those I would never have otherwise discovered and loved. But now, that content is much harder to find amid all that does not matter to me, and has lost some of its edge and charm.
Please keep the tagline as a reminder of the mission.
And other commenter reminded me: recap better shows! I used to watch most of what was on here... but not so much now. And I don't just mean "better" in terms of quality, but in the "more fun and interesting" sense. you talk about Jersey Shore all the time, but no recaps? and yet you're wasting time on "Launch my line" which nobody cares about. no Sons of Anarchy? no Big Bang Theory? no Breaking Bad?
Keep it--but only if you're going to get back to actually snarking. The quantity and quality of the snark has been sadly deficient lately. I've actually read recaps here that are just straight-up "A happened. Then B happened." lists of what happened in an episode. So boring, and not what I come here for. Even a lot of the old guard of the recappers seem like they've gone downhill and in some cases seem downright demoralized (I'm looking at you, Couch Baron--I've been so disappointed in your coverage of Dollhouse this season).
Also, a heaping helping of what Aki said about finding the content that does matter to me amongst all that doesn't. It has me saying, "Man, I miss Sars and Wing," and that is not something the new management should be happy about.
Keep the tagline. Remember your mission.
Agreed with EVERYTHING Kelli said way above. Change is the nature of things, I get that, but I've been coming here for about eight yearsl, originally for the snarky recappers like Sars, Heathen, Jessica, Pamie, ABChao, Miss Alli, etc. Honestly, I started watching Dawson's Creek, of all things, because the recaps were hilarious. Thank God Couch Baron, Demian, Kim, JoeR and Al Lowe are still around. So, yeah, keep the tagline. Memorize the tagline. BE the tagline. (Lately, most of the snark -- and worthwhile information -- has been in the forums. Which, I have to say, are some of the most intelligent, well-written, funny and polite on the Web.)
Also, I come here for *TV*. (And I check the site at least twice a day.) Not movies, not videos, not those irritating Bing redirects (gah... tm Sars). I get that this is a business and there are Evil Corporate Overlords somewhere. Unless the site goes completely off the rails, I will continue to use and enjoy it, but, jeez, it would be great if you could strip off some of the non-essential clutter.
But, on the whole? Love you guys. Mean it! But feel free to change your hair a bit...
I too have been a loyal TWoPer for years, used to really enjoy recaps by Miss Alli (still my favorite) and others. Glad to see that a number of fun recappers are still around (M Giant, JoeR, Demian, etc). But I too find some of the "updates" more distracting and annoying than a benefit (e.g. the Bing links and all the videos loading).
Tagline still works, maybe use "Spare the snark, spoil TPTB" as an alternative...
I've never been a big fan of the tagline, since (as others' posts prove) it takes on the complete opposite of its intended meaning when read by anyone unfamiliar with the reference. But please, only change it if you've got something more clever that expresses the same sentiment! And pretty please, fix some of the site's other issues before screwing with something that's perfectly fine! I'd much rather see extra creativity be used to improve the quality of certain bare-bones recaps than to spruce up a tagline. Focus on the content, please, not the packaging!
Also, count me among those who've noticed the apparent lack of any decent editing. The abundance of typos, spelling errors, grammar mistakes, nonsensical punctuation, and word omissions (in recaps, blog posts, galleries, and everything in between) is awfully distracting. And while it's inconvenient enough to have to re-read a sentence three times in order to understand it, it's made even more difficult when a bing redirect inevitably starts playing a video in front of the entire paragraph.
...That said, I do love this site; it's easily among my favorites. We criticize because we love. (Spare the snark, spoil the TWoP?)
I've had to drastically decrease my time spent here because you all have gotten in the habit of posting spoilers on the home page. If I come here for Show A, I get assaulted with the surprise ending of Show B, which I haven't gotten around to watching yet. So now I can only pop in when I've cleared my DVR so that I don't accidentally read a headline.
As for the tagline, "network" might not be relevant anymore. Does HBO count as a network? Is AMC a network?
I love TWoP and I love the tagline! I've been here since Dawson's Creek and Buffy! I started reading this for the shows I watched (DC, Buffy, The West Wing), and then got hooked on other shows because of the recaps- Everwood (Damn you Berlanti!). I love all the extras that are now available- Brilliant but Cancelled, Polls, etc. Keep the tagline!
I'd leave the slogan as it is...otherwise, you might fall into the prey of something Hackneyed & Trite like "We Bitch about it So YOU Don't Have to...unless you WANT To."
I really never noticed the tagline before (weird I know) but if you guys are thinking about changing it then maybe coming up with something that encompasses everything that TWOP is about would be a good idea. Because I always try to tell people about the site and I have a hard time explaining what it really is. The thing is when I say Television Without Pity, a lot of people go 'I dont watch TV' - and really, a lot of people don't. Then I have to launch into some narrative about it being more than just TV but movies and the like are covered also. So having a tagline that says it all would be extremely helpful.
Anywhos, reassessing your recappers would be a good idea also. I agree with some of the previous comments regarding recaps that are just a scene to scene walkthrough of the episode. I feel that people who visit TWOP have already seen the episodes and, even if they havent, don't want a basic retelling of the plot. They want the enhancements - snark, satire, humor, whatever. You need more Jacobs, Demians, Cindy's, and LuLus.
Lose the movie coverage. Stick to TV & like many others have said above, bring back the snark and keep the tagline. Enough with the boring summaries & sloppy editing.
And for God's sack, get rid of those lame photo galleries. They make me smack my monitor, a la Homer Simpson: "*SMACK* Be more funny!"
To join in with the chorus: I've been visiting this site for years, since 2003 or so, because of the absolutely amazing Alias recaps by Regina/Erin. I still read them if I'm watching episodes on DVD, they're still hilarious. But in the past two years or so, I probably haven't read one recap, the magic just isn't there anymore. There's no snark, there's no funny. I miss my TWoP. The forums are still pretty lively, thanks to some amazing posters, but the main content of the site has gone way downhill in the past few years. And major word to the lame photo galleries.
ITA w/ the editing comments. Also the inadvertent spoilers. I do not agree with ditching the movie coverage; I make my "to see, to rent, to wait for it to come out on cable" lists from TWoP coverage. I like changing the last word of the tagline to "TPTB" best.
And that's my 2 cents. YMMV.
Keep the tagline, go back to the old style of recaps (where the recappers are allowed to be snarky and have a personality), and get some more copy-editing eyes on your features. The recaps are often what drives people to the forums. If the recapper is excited, or at least amusingly snarky, people get engaged. Then they go to the forums and you get eyeballs on your ads. When the recaps are boring, people are just as likely to keep moving along after the recaplet. We want to read recaps for a new, hopefully funny perspective; not for a blow-by-blow of something we already watched.
Another reader who's been around since Mighty Big TV and wishes TWoP would focus more on the writing and less on the galleries, blogs and whatnot. I can't remember the last time I read a recap on this site that made me laugh the way Pamie's Young Americans recaps did or Omar G's early Smallville stuff. Or more recently Erin's Alias recaps. I'm still impressed by how ruthless Demian is with Supernatural and while I don't always love Jacob's recaps, I appreciate that he's doing more with them than just a summary. The recaps of sitcoms aren't really working out either. They mostly seem to be lists of the favorite gags or again, a straight recap. More and more I find myself turning to the A.V. Club for the sort of insight and humor about shows that I used to get here. Please don't change the tagline, sometimes its the only thing about the site I still love.
Like many, I've been around since MBTV. And I have many of the same thoughts regarding the "changes" as have been listed (no snark, horrible editing, why all this other crap and not about improving the quality of the writing, missing the wonderful original writers especially Sobell and Shack). And that your only concern is about the tagline shows just how out of touch you are with your readership. I really don't care...I've only been coming to this site for the last couple of years for the forums.
I hate to sound like everyone else, but don't worry about the tagline, worry about the writing.
Make all your writers go back and read the "Seventh Heaven" recaps. It was truly the most godawful show ever, but those recaps transformed it with their humor, anger, wit and edge. Those qualities now seem sadly lacking. The recaps need to add to the experience of the show, not just repeat it.
Keep the tagline. I'm another of the long time readers, since it was Mighty Big TV. And while I do have a few complaints, this is still my favorite site. Improve the writing and do a few more shows (Torchwood recaps PLEASE) and you're good.
ITA with Muwarr90. The recaps need to improve! Remember Aaron's recaps for Six Feet Under? I felt like I learned something from them, while I laughed or even sometimes cried while reading them.
I still go back and read certain recaps every now and then - Miss Alli's recap of The Cha Cha Cha's very good day in China, or Colin's broken ox, for example; so many Buffy recaps can make me feel like I did when I first saw those episodes. Reading recaps used to make me want to watch the shows - I read Amazing Race recaps before I ever watched it. The recaps now don't feel as necessary, not as witty or snarky.
And since you recap comedies now, please add Community and Modern Family!
I started here when "Alias" was in it's first season. Erin's recaps were what kept me coming back: snarky, witty and funny. Then I discovered Demian's recaps of "Charmed" and loved them in spite of his hatred of the show. I actually read Potes' recaps of "ANTM" - and I've never watched a single episode; I just love her recaps. We need more of the old style back! With being able to catch up on missed eps online, we don't need straight recaps - also, they're boring. Go back to being true to your tagline. A lot of us miss those days!
I agree with Mitch0046. Potes' recaps of ANTM are spit-take hilarious, and introduced me to the funniest guilty pleasure I have. Her standard used to be TWoP's standard, and I miss so many recappers for their snarky insight. I also agree with the call to recap more shows. I'd love to be introduced to more shows via a recap instead of a fake photo diary (gah..). I'd go to a Movies Without Pity site if I cared about movies, and the Bing! HATE. Enough to visit less often. You have some excellent people, and I love laughing along, or learning more and delving deeper into the strange artform that is television, and I view the recappers are our guides. You should choose them wisely, give them the liberty to spread their wings, and truly focus on television.
I get that the buyout by NBC Universal caused this little internet start-up that could to have to file down the rough edges, but I have to agree that it has somewhat diminished the quality of the recaps. It seems less fun, less witty, less fresh than it was back 5 years ago.
I will confess, though, that I do appreciate some of the new features, such as the photo galleries and vlogs as the evolution of the site into the 2010s.
I'm basically going to add my two cents to the chorus of people who miss good ole TWOP.
I came here back in the days before DVR and Hulu, where if I missed an episode of Buffy, I MISSED it, and this site was like a godsend. I've been a loyal reader for years and am especially a fan of Demian, JoeR, Al Lowe, and the amazing Cindy McLennan, because I feel like they continue to bring the snark and wit in their recaps. I have not hated the changes to the site overall: I like the movie reviews (although they could use fewer spoilers, IMHO), and I often enjoy the TWOP Top 10 Lists. That being said, if I could trade in all the new glitz and glamour for the quality snark and well-edited posts that I used to love this site for, I would do so in a heartbeat. To second (and third, fourth, fifth, etc...) many above, worry less about the tagline and more about the content, please. I have loved this site for many years and hope to continue loving it for many more.
And the fake "set diaries". Ugh. Glark et al would never have resorted to crap like that; if a "set diary" was posted, it would have been real: this is not MadTV. Reviews were based on actual viewing (and spoiler-free). I really miss the old size-nine boot, and the remonstrations for not using proper capitalization and punctuation in postings. It was fantastic not having to wade through someone's text-message posting style.
Oh, God! Remember when people were required to READ a thread before posting in it? Now you could spend a whole day counting "I don't know if this has been mentioned yet" posts. BRING BACK THE SIZE NINES AND DRACONIAN FORUM RULES, PLSKTHNXBYE.
"Spare the snark, spoil TWOP."
Christina - So much WORD to you. You said it perfectly.
I started here with Buffy. The recaps were the hilarious part of the site and the comments were dessert. Now, I only read forum comments for the most part, as the recaps have become drier than dry, humorless for the most part. There are a ton of writers looking for work - perhaps we could get a few like Sars, Glark, Miss Allie, etc.
I must agree with many above posters in that the "snark" in the recaps has diminished greatly in the past couple of years. If I watched the show, I don't need a vanilla recap with a couple of glib sentences thrown in; I want talented writers doing snarky spit-take copy!
That being said, I like the photo galleries and some of the on-set diaries.
Life is hard, TV and TWOP makes it a bit easier.
Keep the tagline. And rein in Jacob and his million pages of "deep" and "intelluctual" dreck. There's no snark! Just "Deep thoughts with Jacob" HATE!
Start a MWOP site. This is about TELEVISION. Keep the tagline, but live it, learn it! Get rid of the bing crap and enforce some standards on the recappers. Also? Bring back the forum cops. So sick of rule breakers. This is one of the few sites where I don't have to deal with giant blinking icons, stupid siglines, and terrible punctuation/writing in the forums. GET RID OF THE BING CRAP. NOW. I would never in a million years use that nonsense voluntarily, but the way it works, sometimes it happens on accident, and I wish my accidental clicks were not counted as encouragement. Thanks.
In the early days, I used to read Dawson's Creek recaps even though I didn't watch the show- the recaps and snark were that good. In its heyday, this site actually enhanced the experience of watching certain shows. (Often bad episodes of Alias were tolerable because of the snarky recaps that were sure to be waiting.) I don't know when it started to dwindle away, but it definitely has, and I miss the original bite. I also think Fametracker should be resurrected if it's really necessary to discuss movies. There are plenty of Hey! It's That Guy!s who have not had their due since that site folded.
I cannot believe that I have read this site for 10 years!! But I would second or third what others have said: get rid of the BING links, because they are annoying, and I do think the quality of the recaps has gone down. For example, there was one Lost recapper who didn't even put in her recaps the sly easter egg references each show has, and didn't explain things -- and that's why I read the recaps, so if I miss something or don't understand something it can be filled in! that happened with the last episode of dollhouse, where I believe there was a reference to Buffy (as per the forum comments) and it wasn't even mentioned in the recap...
"And Bravo never asked for anyone's opinion, ever again." hee
I have been a loyal groupie since Dawson's Wrap! ack, how old am I? I used to read recaps and spit all over my computer screen from laughing. now, I skim the recaplets, barely checking the full recaps because they're just not what they used to be. come back, TWOP! I miss you!
personally, i don't miss sars or wing at ALL and think the site is all the better without them! there are things i'd like to change, sure (i totally agree with those who say the editing in the recaps is abysmal; the "A happened, then B happened" nature of some recaps is boring; the quality of the shows you recap could be much better -- too many reality shows and not enough awesomeness like the big bang theory, sons of anarchy, ugly betty (it got better this season, i swear!); and some recappers have really, truly lost their edge and aren't funny at all (sorry, cindy, but i'm looking right at you). there are definite improvements that could be made, but i DON'T miss the dictator-style arrogance and we're-too-cool-for-ourselves attitude of the past, so that's a big bonus!
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I second jane doe: there are too many reality shows being reviewed on TWOP while some scripted shows that should be recapped aren't.
About the quality of TWOP...
A+ used to be given only to extraordinary episodes. Now it isn't. I mean, how can every single episode of Gossip Girl get an A+ while Buffy's "Once More With Feeling" and Angel's "Reprise" got lower grades? HOW?
Also, when an episode sucked, the recaps had an awesome and detailed explanation to why the episode sucked. Ace's recap on "Wrecked" and Sep's recap on "Lies My Parents Told Me" are perfect examples of that.
And the nitpicking. It took several episodes to Couch Baron finally say something about how lame the Dollhouse security system was. A few years ago, the same Couch Baron would've addressed a plot whole in the second he saw one.
But, even though TWOP has gone less pitiless, it still rocks. Mostly.
Now, where are Erin (the most hilarious recapper ever), Sep and Ace? Can't we have them back?
I third jane doe: these days TWOP gives far too much attention to crap reality. And the writing seems to go downhill...
The bottom line is, it's not the tagline I come here to read. Keep it or change it, I couldn't care less... I just wanted to take this opportunity to tell you that I am concerned about the overall drop of quality I've witnessed on this site in the last few years.
Spend less time chasing trends and adding clutter to this site, spend more time on quality writing!
As a reader since this site was MBTV, I have lots of thoughts. Reading thru all these comments, I agree with the vast majority. I miss the stuff that made this site unique. It has turned into another TV site, like tvguide or EW or E or any of the thousands of other recap and gossip sites out there. What made this site so popular wasnt chasing trends, it was the content. And the original content is sorely lacking. In bullet point form:
Bring back the snark! Go back and read some old recaps of shows. Look at the roastings of 7th Heaven or Dawson's Creek. Go back and look at the simply amazing work that was done to go back and do recaps for all the Oz episodes. The recaps of that show made me start watching it in the first place.
Bring back pull quotes for each page of recaps. Cut down on the clutter. Get back to basics.
For the love of the baby Jeebus, get rid of BING.
Go back to in-depth analysis and snark of episodes. Not just boring play-by-play. Look at the first season recaps of ROME, the in-depth analysis, putting historical things into perspective, the wicked humor. Then look at the second season recaps done by a completely different person. The contrast could not be more stark. The humor was gone. The analysis was gone. It was scene-by-scene recap with quotes. We can get that on ANY other tv site. The 2nd season recaps were so bad that you guys had to bring M Giant back and have him redo all the 2nd season recaps.
Get rid of the photo galleries. We can get this stuff on a million other sites
If you want to have a movie site, make it separate from TWoP. Cut the cord and move MWoP to its own site and stop cluttering the main TWoP page with movie stuff.
Get rid of the set diaries. Or move them to a MWoP site. I mean, does anyone find these interesting? you guys take the released stills from a film and try to be funny, but fail terribly.
Hire some new recappers who can bring the snark and the funny. There is a difference between a talented writer who can bring the funny and someone who works for NBCUniversal that writes blogs and thinks they are funny.
Cut out the linkage on the right side to other TV recap sites. Whats the point? You'd rather us go to them, or you are just all about the almighty dollar that people pay you to advertise on this site that you cant see that you are losing veiwers to those other sites. It makes no sense.
Recap more quality shows and cut other out. You guys talk about Jersey Shore, Sons of Anarchy, and make fun of Mercy so much, and yet dont recap them. (if you guys cant stand Mercy so much, why dont you recap it so you can make fun? Is it because its on NBC?)
Whats the point of having a wiki if theres nothing on it? It just clogs the site.
Lastly, BRING BACK THE CLIP ART for each show. I miss this the most. Even if its only in the forums. It added something to this site and made it stand out from all the other TV websites. Go Look at Zap2It, EW, TVGuide and tell me what makes TWoP different, what does TWoP offer that is unique? Nothing anymore, as far as I can tell.
I used to come here multiple times a day, waited with bated breath for each new recap. Couldnt wait for Ering to make fun of the hijinks SpyBarbie and SpyDaddy got into. Now, I come by maybe once a week. I'll read the recaps of Gossip Girl, since Jacob may be te only one still trying to be snarky and different and keeping with what the site was founded on. I dont really read the blogs, its the same info on a million other websites. I dont look at the photo galleries and their lame attempts at humor, I can get that anywhere. I dont ever go to the movies, so having the from page of TELEVISION without pity filled with stuff for films is off-putting.
Get back to basics. Get back to the snark. Hire some real writers. Youve got plenty of ad revenue money, use it on quality, not the same BS you find on every other site.
I'd say keep the slogan, but at this point, does it really fit the direction the website seems to be going in? I understand the nee for change and that the world is always changing. But there is a difference between changing something, and making it completely unrecognizable.
( sorry for the long length and ramble-ness. It was a bad week and a bad Christmas. But these feelings about the direction of the site have been festering for a while.)
I agree with you all, the recaps just aren't the same as they used to be. I used to spend hours reading one recap after another, even for shows I had no intention of ever watching. Nowadays, for the most part, I just skim the recaplets, and even then it's just for episodes for shows that I've actually watched. (The only full recaps I read are for Hell's Kitchen. And I swear, I never noticed that they had a full moon in every single establishing shot 'til the recapper pointed it out....) These days, I spend most of my time on this site in the forums. There's still plenty of snark to be found there.
I'm apparently in the minority here, 'cause I actually like most of the photo galleries. Sure, the "set diaries" are hit-or-miss but Johnny Depp and Christian Bale's dueling one from Public Enemies was pretty funny.
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the videos. I'm behind a bit on them, but I like both "TV is the Answer" and "No Prior Knowledge". The rest I can do without, though. (Except for "The Week Without Pity". You should really bring that one back.)
I like the slogan just fine the way it is, but if you absolutely have to change it, why don't you just keep it simple? "Save the Snark, Spoil the Show."
Sorry to the blog readers for the long entry I made last night. I had no idea it would be that long!
I'm going to break a cardinal rule of the TWoP forums and add a comment that doesn't progress the conversation . . .
Just adding my vote to the "keep the tagline, improve the commentary" movement. I've also been around since the MBTV days and my love for the site grew with the West Wing recaps (especially during the dreadful season 5 *shudder*). I don't mind the evolution in the content if the quality were the same. Typos, grammatical errors, those stupid/random Bing searches....all of it is incredibly distracting. I find I enjoy the recaps at ew.com more than TWoP. Sad, really.
Thank GOD there's someone else saying it -- Jacob's recaps are the #1 culprit in driving me from the site. It's gotten to the point that I don't even read a recap if his byline's at the top, the self-important navel-gazing is just AUGH. And worse, you guys keep assigning him to the scifi-y shows that I actually like and WOULD want to read snark about. But instead it's twenty pages of "my mother the wiccan" or whatever the hell's come out of his pantheistic studies thesis.
Miss Alli, Erin/Regina, AB, Demian, Daniel, the glorious Sobell -- THOSE are recappers. Hell, I dig through the archives to re-read those people. But if you're going to keep assigning Jacob to stuff I like, I'm out. Ugh.
I'm an old-timey MBTVer, and I generally ignore all the tosh you put on the front page -- the stupid 'set diaries' and photo galleries that look like they've been written by an intern after they've flicked through EW. Boo.
But that's the problem; whatever money and time you're spending on those crap little features are making the recaps just hideous. I get that the old recappers moved on (I know one of them, and it wasn't a fun job anymore once the full-time non-MBTV job got demanding), but you're either letting a single recapper specialise (like Grace mentions above, Jacob's monopoly on scifi is driving me round the bend) or bringing people on who just don't have the spark. Or keeping people who aren't working out.
I seem to recall LTG was originally Law Talkin' Guy, a commenter who got promoted. How about trying that? Let the mods and editors decide if any of the already-devoted might get a crack at recapping? Because whatever your current system is, it's not keeping the writing as sharp as it was with Sars and Wing at the helm.
I was another one of those people who easily came to the site every single day. Now it's maybe twice, and I wouldn't be able to tell you of a recapper I read on a regular basis. They don't have distinct styles anymore, they churn rather than savage with delight, and it's just not the fun it used to be.
Stop focusing on the shiny stuff. Get back to basics. And hire people who are funny, dammit.
(Hunh. agentquill, that screed wasn't directed at you, it was aimed Bravo-wards. Don't know why it got "replied" to you. Sorry!)
Rather than changing the tagline, how about putting the snark back into the site so it still fits? The recaps have become bland plot regurgitations and no longer provide humor or insight, and are rarely even worth reading anymore. The forums are still the only literate, readable discussion on the web, so kudos for maintaining some standards on that end. This idea that you need to reinvent yourselves has led to continual dumbing down of editorial content. What the site needs is to return to its roots and get back to actual quality rather than stupid attempts to sell new packaging with ever more bland and boring content.
Yes! Just exactly like tv shows do when there is too much network meddling. They get watered down, dumbed down, shiny is substituted for anything remotely resembling thought-provoking storyline. Huh. Maybe Bravo's assessment of our intelligence is the same as any network's for the intelligence of their viewing audience. Zilch.
I would think that by now you'll see the theme emerging here: keep the tag and upgrade the quality of the site itself.
I've been coming here since Jessica's bright, hysterical recaps of "X-Files" back in the MBTV days. The number of recappers who bring intelligence, wit, and insight to their assigned shows is minimal now. Thank TPTB for recappers like Couch Baron, Omar G and Jacob (just to name my top three) who can still combine all three.
It takes a good recapper to get me to continue here at TWOP since it's added all of the current distractions. It has always and only been the writing that's kept me a fan of TWOP. That's where your future with this site is.
After reading through all the comments, I feel compelled to add my voice to the chorus saying: the problem isn't the tagline, it's that TWoP has lost sight of the mission the tagline sets out.
Like many others, I used to visit TWoP daily, eagerly awaiting the recaps of my favorite shows. I frequently read recaps of shows I didn't even watch just to see what the awesome writers here were saying about it. Now, the website has become cluttered and most of the recapping has lost its spark. I still visit for a few favorites (Supernatural, Gossip Girl, and Dollhouse mostly), but it's no longer a part of my daily routine. I encourage you to stop trying to do so much and focus being the best at what you do do, because that's clearly what made TWoP successful in the first place.
Oh, and I agree that something needs to be done about Bing. It is so annoying and completely detracts from the other features of the site.
I'd like to add an additional thought.
I think this outpouring of frustration indicates th truth of the pharse "Spare the snark, Spoil the network." The reality is that TWOP is now the network itself. Perhaps TWOP's management needs to have the guts to open itself up to the same snark that it is supposed to launch at others. Clearly this post about the tagline has revealed alot of frustration and disappointment from many long time followers of this site. Is this a shock to TPTB at TWOP? I don't know.
What I do know is that TWOP doesn't provide an outlet for criticizing the site itself. There are forums to discuss the shows, there are forums to turn in other posters for dreaded crimes like "Boards on boards" and improper capitalization. Yet there is no forum to criticize TWOP. Posting about the recaps on the boards is forbidden. Perhaps that lack of willingness to face the same level of scutiny that is the very reason of existence for this site, is how this level of frustration came to be.
I would like to add my voice to the throng. TWOP, you used to be so funny, you'd make me watch shows just so I could read the recaps. Now I feel like -- what was the point of reading the recap? Potes' recaps are still really really funny. Jacob is at least creative, but I think he could use an editor to help him reign it in a little.
Spare the snark, spoil the TWoP - did you see that one coming?
It's typical of the "improvements" around here that TPTB think it's time to change the tagline - cause it's not "relevant" anymore. Spare me the marketing crap, the movie crap, the sucky features and that Bing thing.
Bring back snarky recaps worth the time it takes to read them. Erin, Miss Allie, and the rest of the really great recappers could make you burst out laughing at any time; or drop your jaw at an insight. I don't bother much these days, the forums bring more of the funny and insightful.
Try to understand and respect the unique joy that was this site. Pretend that you bought it to keep it going, not to add to your database. Listen to the pleas to please get the basics right. M'kay?
Longtime reader, chiming in to say that I too miss the quality snark that TWOP used to do so well. Like many have already said, I used to read recaps of shows I didn't even watch just because I loved the humor and fearless criticism. I got the impression that Bravo wanted to reign that in after the acquisition, but frankly that wasn't a wise choice. TWOP has become a shadow of its former self.
The tagline itself isn't super vital. That's not to say branding/marketing aren't important; I get the need for that. And I get that the site is doing all of those extra features to get eyes on its ads. I don't mind the occasional blog or photo series, really. But TWOP needs to return to what made the site's reputation: recaps and merciless snark.
I loved the site before BRavo bought it out and I still like it a great deal - but there is one thing missing - at least as far as I can see - and that there is barely a smirk - let alone any snark - when i comes to any of the shows on Bravc itself.
If there was a basic cable network whose entire lineup was ripe for your special treatment it's Bravo. They could also use a name change to "Fashion and Bitches" since every show is about one or the other.
Maybe the shows on Bravo are too easy to snark on and you need the challenge of the networks - but for TWOP to have any real credibility in the new decade - you had better be taking on every useless fashion design and "Real Housewives of . . . ." show (I'd also love to know where they get their definiteion of "real").
Good luck in 2010. :)
The tagline is, unfortunately, not the problem. The problem is that (with the exception of the Top 10 Lists and some of the galleries) the site has gotten boring.
Why would you change the site so that it barely resembles the one you liked so much that you *bought* it? And YES...get rid of Bing!
Why not? After sucking the life out of the site altogether, you might as well change the tagline to an epitaph. "TWOP: We Used to Be Funny" or some such.
And PLEASE stop giving Jacob the sci-fi shows. Between the navel gazing and spouting of freshman psych theories and the paragraph-long run-on sentences my eyes start to scream after reading one page.
I'm going to add my voice to the many long-timers who are sad at the direction the site has taken since Glark, Sars and Wing departed. I am sure that their decision was what was best for them, but I just don't visit the site as often as I used to.
And this coming from a person who met her husband thanks to these fora, and who still keeps in touch with many of the friends she made here ... but in alternate ways. Hell, TPTWere were given invitations to our wedding, fer chrissakes.
The snark isn't here as much, sadly, and the ever expanding content just dilutes the whole. I don't care about MWoP - I'm here for TV. You don't have to reach everyone with a site, you know - it's okay to have a niche and be awesome in it. But more money must be found in trying to cover absolutely everything, I guess, and selling every word to a sponsor. (For the love of Baby Jesus - get rid of BING!!!!)
So, I guess this boils down to the fact that this site isn't the same as it was when that tagline was created, so why not change it? A few years ago I would have rent my garments at the thought, but now? Not so much.
By the way everyone, I finally figured out what "bing" was when I read a TWOP page on someone else's computer. I have ad-block software, so I didn't know about it. Wow, if I had to have that happening when I tried to read a recap, I would never ever read a recap again. It's worse than pop-up ads -- it makes navigating the page like a obstacle course. Or a game of Operation. Dear god, don't let your cursor touch that underlined word!
Add me to the list of old time lurkers, from the days of MBTV. I yearn for the days of Sars and Glark and Wing and the gang.
Keep the tag line, and get back to the funny.
Remove the useless Bing tags, and get back to the really funny and/or useful links.
I agree with the too much "shiny" and not enough snark. The writing used to be much much much wittier.
And a HELL YEAH to Caffiene72 about STOP GIVING JACOB THE SCIFI SHOWS!!!! He is too tedious for words and nearly ruined a couple of shows for me.
OMG - Maystone! I had forgotten about Jessica and the XFiles. Those were hilarious. Didn't she riff on the Boxing Nuns for a while?
Thank the gods that Couch Baron is here for Dollhouse!
I don't think the tagline needs changing, but since the blog actually contains the corporate PR line of "We'd like to know what the people who matter the most to us - our readers - think" - I really don't get the feeling that TWOP cares much about the readership at all.
To quote Grace, because it really needs to be said again and again:
"Thank GOD there's someone else saying it -- Jacob's recaps are the #1 culprit in driving me from the site. It's gotten to the point that I don't even read a recap if his byline's at the top, the self-important navel-gazing is just AUGH. And worse, you guys keep assigning him to the scifi-y shows that I actually like and WOULD want to read snark about. But instead it's twenty pages of "my mother the wiccan" or whatever the hell's come out of his pantheistic studies thesis"
Please make him stop. No show needs to suffer through 28 page recaps. And I did quit coming here for a while because of it.
HATE THE BING. Yep, I am yelling on purpose. TWoP used to be the gold standard!
Hey Lorettagrace, what adblock do you use to get rid of the bing crap and those horrid cascading ads? The one I used doesn't block that shite.
Another long-time reader here. Back in the day, MBTV/TWOP was like discussing your favorite show with a witty and insightful friend. I never came here for a literal recap of the show (since I'd already watched it) -- I came here for the biting criticism (read: critical discussion).
There's still some of that around, which I enjoy, but largely what I see is pure recitation of who said what to whom. It might simply be a factor of size -- more recappers covering more shows with shorter deadlines -- but I liked what was.
I don't think it comes down to the tagline. That was just a slogan for t-shirts. What kept me coming back to TWOP was not the snark per se -- it was the site's willingness to say "Here's what worked; here's what didn't; here's why." Now I check in infrequently at best, and I'm often left pining for the proverbial good ol' days.
I agree with you Christina!
May have gotten my hand slapped a couple of times, but at least I knew it was something meaningful. Now, it's if I don't capitalize a word.
Get back to the basics...just because you can have a crazy homepage, doesn't mean you should.
The recaps of The Sopranos brought me to the site in 2003 and even though I'm still addicted, it's not the same.
Plus, the need for more Tubey-goodies. BTW, what were the results of the Tubey Awards? Did they ever get announced?
Don't change the tagline - just mean it!
Ditto what everyone has been saying - I miss the old days of TWoP, when recaps were actually funny, not just play-by-plays of the episode. (I also used to really enjoy seeing the icons be revealed for new shows in the fall. And the icons themselves. And Tubey. And a lot of things).
I also wish there were some venue to discuss TWoP itself -- you can't comment on recaps in the boards, and there's not really any public place to give feedback on the site as a whole. Although after this thread, as Craig mentioned, that's probably unlikely.
Bring back the snark, bring back the funny, and bring back the freaking RESEARCH. One of the things I loved about being an active member of the "Joan Of Arcadia" subforum was that when Deborah missed a line or didn't understand the timeline of a scene, she'd *ask* so she got it right in the recap. Now almost every recap I read includes at least one non-sarcastic sentence along the lines of "And then he said something, but I wasn't paying attention."
Well, these sentiments are completely founded in my opinion. I only stayed at this site due to Demian and his Charmed recaps. God, those were funny. I stayed for the forums, and I really love the insight of the other recappers. Of course, this was back when the site had editors and talented writers who seemed to ENJOY what they were doing - so much so, that they would go out of their way to be CREATIVE. I agree that the laziness in certain recaps is just abhorrent, and it would be great if someone would rectify this situation.
I miss the show FAQs (which were really funny) and even the strict forum rules (even though I hate the 15/15 rule, I understand why it's NECESSARY).
Bottom line: hire yourselves an editor, and get talented writers. I would gladly have sent a writing sample in, but the FAQ still says that you are fully staffed. Funny how that didn't change with the site change. Perhaps getting diverse talent would be a good idea. Though, I'm pretty sure TPTB have no idea what that is.
P.S: The tagline is supposed to be representative of what the site stands for. Perhaps you should find something more in line with your new ideals. More importantly, you should figure out what you want those ideals to be.
"Spark the Snark, Spoil the Network" is priceless, and if I ruled the world, the tagline would stay (but no reality shows would be recapped).
yes, I, too miss the FAQ for each show. Whats the point of a wiki when theres nothing in it? Just so you dont have to do a FAQ? I completely caught up on decades of Doctor Who by the FAQ.
And I cannot express how much I miss the little clip-art for each TV show instead of some stupid glossy photo you can get from every other site. Can we at least get the clip art icon in the forum? It REALLY added to the uniques-ness and charm of the site. Am I the only one who misses the clip art?
"but no reality shows would be recapped)."
Those bring the MOST snark!
Jacob's recaps have the opposite effect on me: I have started watching some of what he recaps because of what he brings to them. I would have missed a lot of meaning (and a bunch of the increasingly rare snark)in True Blood if he did not take on the role of exposition fairy.
Love or hate what some of the recappers can bring to the tale when their personality shines through their writing, it is the fact that they are both funny and make me think beyond the plot of a show that makes me want to read the recaps.
Recently, both the flavor and thought going into the recaps has been disappearing.
My first reaction was, "No!" But, upon reflection, this site really isn't at all what it was when I first signed up for MightyBigTv (loved Buffy and Dawson).
I think, if I look at the site as someone who misses recappers like Sars and Ace and Pammie (and other beloved recappers) I'd say to go ahead and change it. It's really like a spin-off site at this point rather than the true, original TWoP.
Anyone remember the reader paid-for banner ads? My fave was always the Alias one that said, "Love means never having to say 'Sorry I shot you.'"
Anyway--I vote for change. Can't pretend TWoP[Bravo!] is still TWoP.
Obviously, despite the changes, I'm still here.
I have to say--it's really nice to read the "old guard" chime in here to give props to long gone recappers.
I had almost forgotten that reading recaps used to make me genuinely laugh out loud.
One particularly favorite moment was a Sobell CSI recap with a "What Sara Said"/"What Sara Meant" tangent.
P.S. I'm sure the TWoP[Bravo!] PTB are regretting this thread.
I also stumbled on this site in search of recaps, and have been a faithful visitor from the other side of the globe ever since. Yes, I have to contend with spoliers - but I'd be lying if I said that wasn't half the reason I visit - I can't wait the 4 days for the show to screen in Australia!
I do agree however, that there has been a definite waning on recaps. I loved the witty, acerbic, detail oriented Buffy recaps so much I read the entire lot, even though I'd sen the eps a dozen times - just liked the perspective. Now, it often feels like I'm reading a glorified Episode Guide from the official website.
Stay the course kids, and remember, we give critique because we care - as should you with the content on here!
Much appreciation for the hours of procrastination spent with you!
Yours,
Renee
P.S... Reading these comments restores my faith in good TV taste. God I miss West Wing...
Someone asked what ad-block software I use to block the bing. I use firefox, and I have the add-on called "adblock plus 1.1.2". I also have "nuke anything enhanced." I don't know which one blocks the bing, but I don't see the bing, and that's all that matters.
I hadn't actually realised how much the site had changed until I came in here and remembered how many recaps I used to read and love (Buffy, Charmed, Angel, even ER was funny back in the day) and how few I read, or find interesting, these days. I used to get turned on to new shows by this site, but that happens very rarely these days, and this isn't about the choice of shows on the site, and much much more to do with the quality of the recaps. The 'average' recap used to be hilarious and insightful, now too many are just scene by scene descriptions. Some of the extras are entertaining, but too many are clearly just product placement, and too often seem written either for or by people who've apparently only just stumbled across this thing called television. And I miss the quotations from the forums on the front page - the forum writers are better than a lot of the official content these days.
One thing I still love - Jacob's recaps. Maybe it's not a great idea to have someone whose recaps are so distinctive doing all the sci-fi shows (if that's true, suggested by comments above) but I love the detail and insight as well as the philosophical flights - thanks J.
Not to make this thread into a referendum on Jacob's recaps, but they are divisive: love or hate, but there's no middle ground. I regret to say that I hate them and have had to stop following recaps of several shows because I just can't wade my way through yet another amateur psychoanalysis. Great that he sees a lot, but I don't want to be /told/ what to take away from everything I watch- I kind of suspect he's half the reason I hate the new Doctor Who. There's a balance. Some of the old recappers would actually get me to start watching things I never would have before (Joan of Arcadia). Still, that's his thing, and there are people who like it- but I won't try to wade through his recaps anymore.
MBTV, and then TWoP, used to be my browser homepage. Not anymore. If I wanted to see photo galleries, I'd go to EW. If I want to read bright, witty recaps, there are other sites I can go to. Many of the forum commenters are just as sharp and insightful as the recappers, and many of them more so. I'll come to TWOP if I miss an episode and want to get caught up, but that's about it. I doubt my thoughts will have much effect on the current staff, or Bravo, either way- hey, I'm here even though I don't care for the site anymore, right? And that's eyeballs on page for NBC, which I'm pretty sure is all they care about.
I must chime in with everyone else. I miss the way TWoP used to be. I discovered this site during the Alias days and never missed a recap of that show. I used to read recaps for so many other shows as well (even shows I never watched; I would read the recaps only because I loved the recapper). Now I barely read any. Dollhouse is the only one.
I miss the humor the recaps used to bring. They used to make me laugh so hard that at times I would have tears streaming down my face. Now I feel like tears are close, but for a completely different reason.
I used to visit this site every day. Sometimes 10 times per day. Now it's only about once per week, if that. The recaps have become so watered down and plain it's just not worth my time anymore.
I am a long time reader but have never posted a comment or visited the forums. I have to agree with the majority of the comments here - the recaps are not worth reading anymore. I don't get the sense that most of the recappers truly understand or enjoy their shows or give much thought to why certain episodes work and others don't. I'm also disappointed with the fact that a lot of the basics are being bungled - typos, poor grammar, inattention to detail, missing plot points. I understand that the new ownership has a vision for this site and that it involves a lot of change. I think most readers are open to it as long as the quality is maintained. That just has not been the case. I hate to single out anyone for blame but it has to be said - Angel Cohn's recaps and articles are the pits. No insight, no critical analysis and definitely no funny.
I used to visit this site every day - it made great lunch break reading - but now I stop by once or twice a week and rarely bother to read a whole recap.
"Love or hate what some of the recappers can bring to the tale when their personality shines through their writing, it is the fact that they are both funny and make me think beyond the plot of a show that makes me want to read the recaps."
Hey, I get that some people like Jacob. I do not understand you people, but I get it. The problem arises when Jacob is handed every goddamn non-popcorn scifi or fantasy show on the site! It's agony. I just stop reading what he recaps, and the result is that I pretty much don't rely on TWoP for scifi snark anymore. At all. That is sad, and childishly, it makes me angry. I was here before Jacob, and he ruined my site! etc etc.
What happened to "snark"? He doesn't do it! He does critique or something, and it's never funny, it's always hellishly self-important. It's like sitting next to the most dull, monotonous college student on a transatlantic flight. Excruciating.
Ha! Perfect!
And I'll chime in: long, long, long time reader, but all I want are the Recaps! Well, okay, actually the re-caplets. Like others here, I've actually started watching shows after reading recaps for a while. I've been annoyed, of late, at how many popular, long running shows are simply ignored or abandoned, in addition to few recaps of new shows. There was a time when dozens of shows were being recapped, and it was much, much better.
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HAHA Bing be gone, bitches!
Use it people! It makes it tolerable to read the decent few recappers left!
I added the add-on you mentioned and Bing is gone! Yay!
On topic, I agree with most everything being said. What I enjoyed most from MBTV and early TWoP was the community feeling it seemed to have. From [TWoP]cons (which I haven't heard much of lately, even though I know there was a TARcon for this most recent season...), to banner ads, to buying TWoP-themed t-shirts from Glarkware, TWoP made me feel a part of something. I no longer feel this way.
I hadn't really noticed it until this blog post, but I now mourn the loss of TWoP as it once was - snarky, fresh, fun, and HILARIOUS.
I've enjoyed the comments here, more so since the original. clueless blog post sucked. Funny how the quality of the recaps went to hell once there was enough money to support recapping more shows. And what's with the recaps of comedy shows? Wasn't there a rule against that?
Anyway, Jacob can go on, but while I loved the funny people who could make me laugh and laugh, I've got a soft spot for the guy who has made me cry (in the good way).
Oh, yeah! Remember when "Alias" ended and Erin threw a party at her place for the season finale airing? She issued an open invitation on the boards. As I understand it, the response was amazing.
Series Finale. Series, not season. Proof before you post, Mitch.
"Sparing Snark, Spoiling Networks, Raising Hell"
"The Revolution will be Recapletted"
"Judging the World One Medium at a Time"
"No Opinions, Just the Facts"
I found TWoP in 2001, during the first season of The Amazing Race, since this site seemed to be the only place that was following the show back then. Miss Alli's recaps were hilarious - even though it was clear that she loved the show, she still was able to snark on alll the little details, from the theme song "BOMP!", to the Amazing Yellow Line, to the Amazing Bathmat...Good times! I used to check the site several times a day to read recaps as soon as they were published, but I don't even bother with most recaps now. And no one else has mentioned this, but I also miss the TWoP Polls that used to appear every few pages in the recaps. Even the old polls were funnier than the recaps are now.
WTF? Keep the tagline - Snark is the reason I came to this site back in the good old days, and the tag line is about the only thing left that reminds me off those good old days. Ever since Glark and (sniff!) Tubey left, this site has gone downhill.
Keep the snarky recaps, and get rid of the crappy bells and whistles - we don't need the telefiles, and blogs, and lists, and stupid polls. The old polls were great - the new ones are blah. And the new recaps pale in comparison with the old ones.
This whole site has devolved, and the snark has gotten diluted, and we miss the old TWoP!!!
Me again - breaking what used to be a cardinal rule in the forums - double posting.
I forgot to say - de-bing-ify the recaps. It is agony to try to read them.
And get rid of those stupid vlogs (yeah, Crespo, I mean you, among others) - and I want to add my voice to the many others here in favor of getting rid of all the movie shit.
This is "Television Without Pity" - not "Any and All Forms of Media we Choose to Feature, with Obvious Bias".
Christina and RedHotDoc have it right: the snark has all but vanished from Television Without Pity. The recaps are dull and sloppily edited, and the newer recappers don't have nearly the wit or the pop culture knowledge (or, for that matter, the knowledge generally speaking, if the current recaps are any indication) of the original crew. The "Set Diaries", videos and Telefiles are lazy, slipshod, derivative work, and they're just not funny. Keeping or changing the tagline won't matter if you don't raise the standards.
Keep the tagline - it's the one of the very few recognizable things left on this site.
Instead of changing the tagline, make it a GOAL. A mission, to return TWOP to the great site it was when you bought it.
I'm another long, long time reader that was first drawn to the delicious snarky, often hilarious recaps that seem to be dwindling in the past couple years. Here are some ideas:
Stop the straight recaps. Other sites do them better and with the advent of online viewing they aren't necessary.
Stop the recaps of sitcoms. There used to be a very good explanation of why TWOP didn't recap comedies. It's still a good reason.
Give the popular favorite recappers a raise (Potes), give Jacob his own editor, and hire some writers! A few editors on board wouldn't hurt either.
Thanks for asking. Reading through all these comments reminded me what an excellent community TWOP was and can be again.
I'm confused, it says there's 100+ comments, but only showing 19 and no links to more comments.
Anyway, I vote to keep the tagline as is.
Don't change it, but I don't really care. I only come here for the forums, whereas I used to be all about the recaps.
--7-year reader
Has anything happened as a result of this discussion? TWOP PTB, please respond to your audience.
Thank you.