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Admittedly, I haven't been watching Ugly Betty this season. But prior to that I watched it regularly, and back when it was good, one of the best things about it was the friendship between Daniel and Betty. Their mutual respect and working relationship was a nice, un-soapy rarity amidst the cartoonish tendencies of the show's other relationships and storylines. Well, that's apparently all going to hell, according to EW's Ausiello, who heard it from the show's creator Silvio Horta.
Apparently, the show's writers are considering having Betty and Daniel hook up romantically, as the characters' predecessors did in the original telenovela. That's not only lazy, it's a cheap and ridiculous move that seriously weirds me out, for lack of a better term. Almost as much as these other TV hook-ups would, any and all showrunners out there who are getting dangerous inspiration from UB...
Don and Peggy (Mad Men)
Aside from how creepy it would be for all the obvious, father-figure/mentor reasons (weirder than Duck and Peggy, even), he'd probably just yell at her the whole time. Peggy doesn't need any of that noise -- literally.
Liz and Jack (30 Rock)
I actually don't think this would be that gross or weird (definitely awkward, but there is something intriguing about it all the same), but it would be the end of the most compelling relationship on the show.
Peter and Claire (Heroes)
They're related, but that never stops them from having the most unsettling on-screen chemistry of any two actors on the entire show. (Well, besides HRG and Claire. Yes, I went there -- and don't pretend you've never noticed it too.)
Bailey and the Chief (Grey's Anatomy)
Another mentor-grasshopper relationship that works swell the way it is. It just wouldn't be right to ruin that.
Jack and Chloe (24)
Another one that would probably involve a lot of yelling (not to mention scowling), and which would definitely mark the end of a beautiful friendship while seriously disturbing me.
Sam and Fi (Burn Notice)
Just wrong, for several reasons, not the least of which being that it would create the most annoying television love triangle this side of Jack, Kate and Sawyer.
Gemma and Tig (Sons of Anarchy)
Oh wait, that already happened, more or less. And I vomited so much I damn near ran out of innards.
Walter and Olivia (Fringe)
Hey, I found one that would bother me infinitely more than Betty and Daniel! Silver lining: found.
Your nightmare hook-ups? I tossed Michael Scott and receptionist Erin around in my head a bit and couldn't decide exactly how horrified I was by it. Also, Thirteen and House just goes without saying. And surely there are others as well! Gross us out below.
Don and Peggy (Mad Men)
Aside from how creepy it would be for all the obvious, father-figure/mentor reasons (weirder than Duck and Peggy, even), he'd probably just yell at her the whole time. Peggy doesn't need any of that noise -- literally.
Liz and Jack (30 Rock)
I actually don't think this would be that gross or weird (definitely awkward, but there is something intriguing about it all the same), but it would be the end of the most compelling relationship on the show.
Peter and Claire (Heroes)
They're related, but that never stops them from having the most unsettling on-screen chemistry of any two actors on the entire show. (Well, besides HRG and Claire. Yes, I went there -- and don't pretend you've never noticed it too.)
Bailey and the Chief (Grey's Anatomy)
Another mentor-grasshopper relationship that works swell the way it is. It just wouldn't be right to ruin that.
Jack and Chloe (24)
Another one that would probably involve a lot of yelling (not to mention scowling), and which would definitely mark the end of a beautiful friendship while seriously disturbing me.
Sam and Fi (Burn Notice)
Just wrong, for several reasons, not the least of which being that it would create the most annoying television love triangle this side of Jack, Kate and Sawyer.
Gemma and Tig (Sons of Anarchy)
Oh wait, that already happened, more or less. And I vomited so much I damn near ran out of innards.
Walter and Olivia (Fringe)
Hey, I found one that would bother me infinitely more than Betty and Daniel! Silver lining: found.
Your nightmare hook-ups? I tossed Michael Scott and receptionist Erin around in my head a bit and couldn't decide exactly how horrified I was by it. Also, Thirteen and House just goes without saying. And surely there are others as well! Gross us out below.
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You and I are so not on the same page here. All first season of Ugly Betty I was rooting for Betty and Daniel to hook-up! And I am a long time Jack/Chloe shipper... heh. I want Don Draper and Joan to be a pair. What a way to rile up Roger!!
Sawyer and Claire (if she ever shows up again). That would be so completely icky that I would probably not be able to watch Lost ever again...which, good thing there's only one season left.
HRG/Claire on-screen chemistry is off the charts.There is shocking amount of incestuous subtext.
I was personally always glad that Gossip Girl never took me through a Rufus and Vanessa hook-up. It looked like it was on the writers' minds for a bit there...thanks for leaving that fruit on the tree, folks.
I like the idea of having relationships between men and women on shows that are not romantic in nature. I always liked that about Ugly Betty. I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who thinks the Lost triangle is annoying. Jack, Kate, and Sawyer's triangle is the least interesting thing to me on that show. Another platonic (I hope) relationship I love is Cooper and Violet on Private Practice.
Finally someone that agrees that Betty/Daniel would be SO WRONG!
I do agree about Claire/Peter. Ewww...
I have been seeing Jack/Liz in more positive ways, but w/e.
Jack and Chloe....Hmmmm...on the fence.
Great list and thank you for thinking the same about Detty. NERD LOVE FOREVER! :) lol
Claire/Peter yes. EWWWWWW. So much creepy sexual tension.
I want Jack and Liz together at the end of the series - there is far too much chemistry there for it not to happen! But it would completely derail the show if it happens too soon.
Anybody on Criminal Minds, outside the realm of fanfic. NO CANON 'SHIPS. With Rossi/Hotch and anybody, there's too much quasi-incestuous inappropriate going on. If they tried to hook any of the younger agents up, it would ruin the nerd-chem. And Morgan/Garcia is so much better as platonic-hetero-life-mates.
Can I just ditto on the previous comment about Vanessa and Rufus? That would have severely disturbed me. Ugh.
I think the worst friends-turned-couple for me was Izzie and George on Grey's. I think that was the point where the show became horrifying for me and I no longer cared what happened. I stopped watching pretty soon after that, since watching 'Gizzie' together made me throw up a little in my mouth.
I also hated Lex and Lana on Smallville. Just hearing about that coming made me stop watching. Lex was the best thing about that show, and Lana was the worst.
I don't think there's any relationships on current shows that would ick me out too much. I actually wouldn't mind Betty and Daniel, although I've only watched the first season.
So basically, you're close-minded approach- oh wait, article- on Betty's relationship with Daniel should just be a best friends relationship? Well, I say, no. First of all, you're assuming that it's so great because they're so platonic. Well, my friend, you're a little dense. Becoming more than just friends wouldn't lose that relationship. It would greatly strengthen that relationship. Secondly, who says it'd be "cartoonish" or "soapy" if they did hook-up? You're assuming all those things, based on what you've seen with other hook-ups in the show, as well as hook-ups in other shows. Augh, reading this article pisses me off. People are just so freaking closed-minded. They form this concrete bubble around them and overlook all possibilities because their little minds can't handle something that goes beyond their stupid little box.
Why must the shippers demand that any two people with an ounce of chemistry be a couple? Liz and Jack (30 Rock)? Eww, for so many reasons. It would be like Mary hooking up with Mr. Grant. Also, although I know many seem to want it, I vote NO on any Penny / Sheldon hookup on "Big Bang Theory".
BD (also known as Benrydiva), are you here again? Give up on Henry already. You go to every forum possible just to extol his supposed virtues - when, in fact, he has none. Just know that the only reason this article exists is because it's written by a TWoP staff member, and take note of this, everyone: TWoP has ALWAYS hated the idea of Daniel/Betty romance, so there's been that bias against them since Day 1. So if you think of it that way, Benrydiva, you have no allies. Most people are tired of Henry's useless old self already. They're looking for something new, and Daniel is uncharted territory for Betty. Of course, you feel the need to come here and comment because you feel threatened by Detty's rise in popularity these days. Well, continue to shake in your boots, love. The Detty supporters aren't going anywhere. They're just going up in numbers. :-)
Crap, I ship most of these couples. Daniel/Betty in particular. What's the point of Ugly Betty if Daniel and Betty don't end their journey together? It's been about them from the start. To have them end in separate places would be poor storytelling. That's not to say that they HAVE to be together romantically, but it simply wouldn't make sense for Betty to end up with anyone else either seeing as how Daniel will always be the most important man in her life. The most important person in her life, actually. Henry's been out of the picture for too long, Betty never cared about Gio, and watching Matt/Betty is damn near torture. I will never understand the strong negative reaction to Daniel/Betty. Same with Jack/Liz. And Sam/Fi are just plain entertaining to watch (especially since Michael/Fi is so lackluster). But at the same time, these are all couples that I wouldn't want together until the very end.
I love your comment. And I agree with the rising numbers for Detty shippers:). It's there and it's slowly rising.
Who think you are judging ub especially Detty like that, you have seen this season Detty has change into something completely apart from all the other season they no assistant, nor boss anymore nor longer have bro/sis relationship going on, they grown into much more mature friendship/relationship that grown into something beautiful, okay what gives the right to judge something like that really. I've detty season one who in right mind would tell their "sister" "You are better than any model," please rest my case.
I don't think Betty and Daniel would make a good romantic couple at all. Do the actors have major chemistry together? Sure. That doesn't mean that the writers should take an interesting friendship like theirs and mess around with it. Not every male/female relationship on TV has to be romantic. I think this would be a big mistake.
First off, WATCH BETTY NOW. It's good again. Like, better than season 1 good. Watch it people! It airs again in it's new timeslot tomorrow, Jan 6th, Wednesday at 10 on ABC! It resumes season 4.
Now, while I think it could be interesting for Betty and Daniel to date, it just feels wrong! They are more of a team and brother sister than anything
oh please oh please oh please let violet and cooper stay friends!
I'd be okay if Betty and Daniel ended up together, if written properly. When I first watched (Season 1) I expected to see them get together, and I was pleasantly surprised that their relationship became a very deep friendship. I really liked Henry and Gio, but I think their time is past. Matt is so gross - he seemed okay for Betty when he was the geeky sports reporter, but as a glossed up fashion guy - eeek. No way Amanda would fall for him in a million years. Also wasn't happy to see her sleep with Daniel again, although it was played lightly and for laughs.
At this point, I'm ready for them to get together, unless they can come up with a better combo. (I actually liked Willie & Daniel, briefly). Molly was the prep. for Betty - she wasn't as attractive as his former gf but she was smart and interesting.
I would LOVE to see Jack & Chloe together. She is the only woman that has ever been his equal (well Renee comes close, I really like her) and they would compliment each other's strengths and weaknesses. Prob. would be the way I would like to see the end - living together and running the CTU together.
Also don't know about Jack & Liz. Their relationship & scenes together are easily the highlight of the show together. Trying to go further might wreck it. She's not crazy/bubble-headed like most of his dates.
Walter and Olivia? That's disgusting! He's like her beloved uncle or father-in-law. Astrid and Walter would make more sense but again, she is far too young and normal for him. Nina might be more appropriate.
No opinion on other shows mentioned - don't watch them. Can't think of any other pairings I would hate...
I married my best friend. A lot of people do.
It's called an organic development - and is what Betty and Daniel are already heading for, IMHO.
Obviously I'm all for it :)
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What the heck! This article sucks big time!! Daniel and Betty are meant to be together!! The have the greatest chemisrty ever!!What will traumatize me is to see Betty ending up with the geeky acountant, the sandwitch guy or the Daniel substitute!!!DETTY ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!
What a crapy title is that?? Who told you that the Detty will traumatize us??? Daniel and Betty are meant to be together!!
Shippers tend to ruin way too many relationships and TV shows...
Shippers, or closed-minded people? You can't say that shippers ruin something when most of the people that oppose the obvious emotional things are people that can't quite comprehend the bigger picture.
I'm on board with Vanessa and Rufus (as traumatizing). How about Blair and Dan?
Other shows? Penny and Sheldon!
I think it would be weird if Bensen and Stabler hooked up on SVU. They have amazing chemistry together, but its more like brother/sister than anything else.
And now TWoP is trying to start a 'ship war, the most pointless and vitriolic type of argument ever to come out of fandom. Honestly, have the people who are approving these articles ever been part of any kind of fandom, anywhere?
I'm actually a Detty shipper, though I'm an endgame Detty shipper. I don't need to see them awkwardly get together and break back up, and as of a year ago they interviewed the actor playing Daniel and he expressed a desire to keep the relationship as it is, and I can respect that.
When I discovered the show in S2, I thought it was a mesh of insanity until I caught on to the fantastic friendship between Betty and Daniel, and that's when I decided they'd be a good endgame. Just in the end, when it comes down to it, these two are always steady, always there, always willing to jump in for the other. There's strength in that.
I don't NEED Betty and Daniel to get together. I'm a casual watcher at best, but when I do watch, I do have an eye towards the two of them and the strength of the relationship as a foundation for something more in the future. I think it's possible and if written well could be a fun adventure, but I understand the hesitancy to jump into something like that on the writer's part. Ships can often be polarizing for a fandom, such as the Gil/Sara relationship on CSI. Was I in support of that ship? Oh, yes, but I acknowledge jumping headfirst into a relationship writing-wise that for years has been off-limits cannot be done with haste.
We'll see, I suppose.
I'm a Detty shipper and think that it would greatly strengthen their relationship if they do get together in the end. I can't see Betty with anyone else at this point. Henry has come and gone many times, she did not care for Gio as more then a friend, and her relationship with Matt is getting painful to watch. Detty all the way!
Bones and Booth.
j/k. :P
I love Daniel and Betty and IMO he's already half in love with her anyway. The chemistry is there and has been since day one all they need to do is write the transition in a convincing way which if they are good writers should not be an issue. I also agree with those who like the idea of Jack and Chloe, it would be a weird and wonderful thing to see if they ever hooked up.
Breathe deeply and repeat after me, Namedone: They are just television shows. They are just television shows.
The idea of Daniel and Betty becoming a romantic relationship doesn't traumatize me, per se. But I don't like the idea. I hate that it seems like every deep male-female relationship on a show has to be turned into something sexual or romantic. Which isn't to say that it couldn't be written in a realistic and organic way, as many people do in fact develop romantic feelings for a friend.
But it just seems like an easy out. And I love to see deep relationships between men and women that are honest-to-god PLATONIC, and stay that way, especially because it seems to be so hard to find in TV World. For instance, back before Law
& Order: SVU became complete and total unwatchable crap, I remember a lot of people pulling for an Elliot/Olivia relationship. I could see how they could see that, and for a while, it seemed like the writers were headed that direction, but I was sooo glad they didn't actually do it.
I did, and do, support some TV hookups. I was a huge Grissom/Sara fan. But I just really appreciate simple friendship, as well. So no, I don't want Daniel and Betty to end up together romantically, unless maybe at the very end of the show. After all, the Claire/Betty/Daniel dynamic is a lot of fun, and could probably be taken to new and awesome heights. I would also be satisfied if the show ended with Betty happily single.
Look at history. As a general rule, turning two chemically active but non-romantic cast members into looov-airs pretty much ruins a show. E.g., Cybil + Bruce in Moonlighting, ruining the series forever. Or, Mary Tyler Moore making a hilarious joke about shipping Mary and Lou, which helped keep the series energized.
Tension is funny, interesting, intriguing and full of dramatic and comedic possibilities. Hooking up is boring once the deed is done. If you must do it at all, save it for the finale.
Obviously Nathan/Peter have (or had, I should say) the most chemistry on Heroes. Petrellicest ftw!
I survived Joey and Dawson I dont think anything will beat the ick factor there.
I don't know about the other couples, but Daniel and Betty are made for each other! Not only it won't traumatize me to see them together, but I'll be more than excited if that happens!!
Never saw any HRG/Claire chemistry, they seem to have a very healthy relationship to me. Claire/Peter DO have romantic chemistry though, which is weird, since they are related, other than HRG and Claire (although that would SO creep me out!)
What about Sylar's "crush" on Claire? That seems worse to me. Or HRG and his co-worker, who looks so much like Claire that he seems to date a double of his adopted daughter. Am I the only one who's grossed out by that?
the lex and lana thing was also the catalyst for me NEVER watching smallville again. i loved lex (ok maybe obsessed was a better word) and the thought of them together made me throw up in my mouth a little.
right now, the couple that would upset me would be jenny and nate on GG. jenny must go.
Claire and Peter never knew they were related until both were grown. I think there is chemistry there, but not romantic, and as they are related it will never happen. HRG does seem obsessed with Claire, but so do the writers (to my dismay.)
I think one of the only ones that ever actually "worked" was Chandler and Monica...because they kept it funny.
One of my big no-nos (even though there is lots of chemistry) is Lightman and Foster from Lie to Me. She deserves someone, but no one deserves Lightman.
Since Torchwood season 4 is apparently hapening, I nominate Jack/Gwen. RTD, you have been warned.
Daniel and Betty doesn't deserve to be in that list!!! They are destined to be togteher!! I support the Detty 100%!!! No matter what that article says!!!!!
Daniel and Betty are so NOT brother and sister!!! Brothers and sisters don't look each other or hug each other the way Daniel and Betty do! It makes me sick whenever people call them that!
Namedone needs to take a chill pill (and she needs to stop bringing over her lackeys from Facebook or Livejournal or whatever to defend a ship that hasn't even happened.)
I'm gonna agree with the blog article that hooking up people who work together or act friendly and sibling-like and don't have any romantic moments as a Very. Bad. Idea. period.
Don't worry, Mindy Monez, neither the creator of the U.S version or the two lead actors playing Betty and Daniel really like the idea of a "Detty" hook-up. They're just letting "maybes" leak out so as to not piss off Namedone's crazy shipper army! LOL!
~Tension is funny, interesting, intriguing and full of dramatic and comedic possibilities. Hooking up is boring once the deed is done. If you must do it at all, save it for the finale.~
I can't comment on any of the pairings mentioned here specifically - I either don't watch the show or don't care about the characters - but IMO, the reason that characters getting together would 'ruin' a show isn't about boring.
It's because writers can't stop trying to milk drama out of things. Two characters in a happy, stable relationship that is peripheral to the main story seems too 'boring', and so they immediately pile on the angst, the jealousy/cheating, etc etc etc.
That's why I quit Grey's Anatomy - because they writers were incapable of leaving anything alone.
Yes, real relationships in real life have problems, but every time this situation comes up on TV, so many of the obstacles seem so blatantly manufactured to create Drama and Tension.
Betty and Daniel getting together would have made me stop watching the show... if the severe decline in quality hadn't already accomplished that midway through last season. I mean, seriously, how many hot guys are supposed to swoon over this chunky, frumpy, bossy, tasteless girl before you call BS?
I agree that getting Jack and Chloe toguether would be incredibly distasteful (to see the least). They are clearly awesome as friends, but that's too good to spoil. Besides, I think Jack and Renee are totaly meant for eachother.
Of all the couples mentioned in this post, I only root for Don and Peggy. I think they could be something really amazing.
Chloe and Ollie on Smallville.
Folks, I have to make a point about Mad Men here--Don and Peggy might traumatize you, but Peggy and Pete (the waste of blood) is a nightmare come to life already. About the only thing worse would be--what maybe Betty and Pete--well, Roger and anyone. I'd almost claim that Roger and Betty deserve to drive each other into the grave--but, that's uncharitable of me. I'd think that Peggy and Roger would be much more horrifying than Peggy and Don, but nothing holds a candle to Peggy and Pete.
Similarly, Echo and Ballard are a nightmare incarnate.
I can laugh about the impossible wrongness of Sam and Fi, and maybe roll my eyes over the concept of Peter and Claire.
However, there is a question no one has asked yet. How deep does the rabbit hole go on Dexter next season? Bautista and LaGuerta aren't built for the long haul. Would she resume her dance toward Dexter, the power game from Season 1? About the Morgans--how do that not just collapse into themselves. That brings us to the ultimate nightmare pairing (Dex and Deb) which would never happen, should never happen, but Arthur and his bizarro family made almost anything possible.
There are other sorts of nightmare pairings (Benson and Stabler on SVU or Mary and Marshall on In Plain Sight are series-killing pairings, while they might make sense as an endpoint).
On the new series White Collar--Neal and Elizabeth are another nightmare--but one that made more sense than the concept of Burke as "The Ring."
Speaking of The Ring--I have one last straight-up nightmare pairing. Ellie Bartowski-Woodcombe and Morgan Grimes
What do you HAVE against all the cool/rare ships? Most ships already have a decent foundation (otherwise the shippers wouldn't see anything TO ship) and just need fleshing out to come to fruition on screen. They may not be YOUR ship or your cup of tea but to declare them traumatizing (let alone use the term US as if the audience is one hive mind - one persons nightmare is another OTP)... I've seen the traumatizing argument ALL the time against Jack/Daniel, McShep, or other slash pair. (The Constant - a Chlack fic - I think is very well written)
I bet, given what I can glean from your personality from this list, if you were to extend that list it would look like:
Sam/Daniel (Stargate SG-1)
Carter/Lupo (Eureka)
Will/Helen (Sanctuary)
Kaylee/Jayne, Kaylee/Malcolm or River/Mal (Firefly)
Dresden/Murphy or Dresden/Morgan (Dresden Files)
Jake/Heather (Jericho)
John/Eva (New Amsterdam)
Charlie/Dani (Life)
Not a ship but I've seen posts indicating that SOME would feel traumatized with a Chlois ending (Smallville)
I stopped watching Ugly Betty halfway through last's seasons finale. Yes, for me it had gotten THAT painful. I couldn't even make myself stick through their season finale.
But back in its prime I adored this show. It was cute and quirky and had a lot of heart. Marc and Amanda are pretty much the best mean girls ever placed on television, except for the obvious example of Blair Waldorf. I also loved early seasons heartless Wilhelmina. But once they started to give Willie some humanity and make her wear colors even all the snarkiness in the world couldn't keep me watching.
But one of my favorite things about this show was the dynamic between Betty and Daniel. I loved that this show was smart enough to take a straight man and a straight woman and put them in a loving, caring and supporting relationship without one ounce of sexual chemistry.
This never happens on television. Never.
To put Betty and Daniel into a contrived romance would just cheapen the strength of their friendship.
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