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Every TV fan has showrunners and/or writers they just can't stand for one reason or another. Star Trek fans by and large don't adore Brannon Braga, for example. Heroes creator Tim Kring has also become quite frustrating, and Ronald D. Moore divides as many Battlestar fans as the show's finale did. But me? I don't pay much attention to those three (well, Kring I pick on, but who doesn't?), because all my frustration and ire is focused on two people: Monica Breen and Alison Schapker. Haven't heard of them? Let me tell you what they've put me through, and what they'll likely do to Fringe, since they've just joined as co-executive producers.
As showrunners of Brothers & Sisters, they de-Walkered Rebecca, subjected us to Ryan, made Kitty cheat on The Senator with a park dweller for no reason whatsoever and refused to let the Ojai business scandals of Season 1 die. And that's not even getting into Greenatopia (which they promptly abandoned), Nora's cancer center hobby (which they promptly abandoned) and the revolving door of stupid Nora Walker love interests (the swinging architect, the grifter doctor, etc).
If you watched Alias, you may remember what the show was like after JJ Abrams abandoned it for Lost in Season 4, leaving it in Ken Olin, Schapker and Breen's hands. It was a tired, melodramatic, ridiculous and unwatchable cartoon, full of old plot devices that should have been long dead (Breen and Schapker decided to "double" Sydney long after we'd had quite enough of Evil Francie, and they were partly responsible for that whole "My name's not really Michael Vaughn" fiasco, for instance), and though part of that was Ken Olin's fault, Breen and Schapker wrote most of the show's episodes during this period, and were producers, too.
They also worked on Charmed, but I never watched much of that so I can't speak to what they did to it. I'm certain it was something very bad, however.
So what does this mean for Fringe? Well, first of all, it means anything that you didn't like about the first season and a half will be back to haunt you. I'd bet my life savings that another pushy, misogynistic FBI bureaucrat comes buzzing around to disband the Fringe division a la Season 1's Agent Harris. I'd also wager that they'll find a reason for Olivia to be stripped down to her undies and plunged back into that dream tank again. Everyone's going to get inappropriate love interests, Walter's going to start saying things like "Thong" and "What's a spork?" and when they start running out of steam towards the middle of Season 3, somebody's going to get a surprise sibling who's the key to everything. Oh, and Gene the Cow is going to take up with a ballroom dancing Frenchman in Pasadena.
They turn every show they work on into the Asylum version of what it previously was, so, if you thought Fringe couldn't possibly get any more ridiculous, you are about to be schooled by the masters, my friends.
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Couldn't agree more. I'm worried about my Fringe. Why do these kind of people get so many opportunities to screw up again and again??!
Charmed, as much as I loved it, was always a hot mess.
Oh frak!!!
I would prefer in years to come to not be able to remember Fringe as a "hot mess" :/
Marti Noxon is another much hated showrunner. Personally, I thought she brought some good things to her shows but on the whole she seems to be reviled.
Poor fringe. Alias really did go into a huge downward spiral around that time.
Charmed was okay its first couple of seasons. It wasn't until the rise of Brad Kern that it really achieved its potential in hot messedness.
Marti Noxon's main crime against her show was caving in to the fangirls and making Every. Fucking. Episode. About. Fucking. Spike.
My best friend and I have been re-watching Alias on DVD, and we just finished season 4 a couple of days ago. I remember disliking it when it originally aired, but watching it rapidly in the context of the whole series, I was pleasantly surprised. I enjoyed it A LOT more than I remembered. *Especially* after the slow torture that was season 3. Gaahhh.
But you're right, those Brothers & Sisters plots were absolute, utter shite.
Actually I thought they brought Alias back from the brink that Season 3 had driven it to. Of course I wasn't crazy about that Vaughn is not Vaughn thing.
And yeah, they crapped up Brothers and Sisters pretty well.
I don't think these facts are correct. Schapker & Breen DID NOT De-Walker Rebecca. It is common knowledge that Executive Producer Greg Berlanti was behind the De-Walking of Rebecca and introduction of Ryan. Schapker & Breen actually wrote some of the stronger B&S episodes in my opinion. Further, Schapker & Breen were NEVER showrunners of Alias. I believe that was Jeff Pinkner who took over Alias when JJ Abrams left. And it is Jeff Pinkner who is currently showrunning Fringe. Seems like you should get your facts straight before guessing how they will "ruin" Fringe. Writers can't control the direction of storylines, That ultimately is the showrunner and the network.
Alias had it's worst season when JJ was still involved, the mess that was Season 3. Season 4 was big improvement in quality, especially if you watch in the order it's supposed to be seen. Also, Nadia was introduced in season 3 by JJ. And the second half of season 5 (minus the final 2 episodes) were also pretty good. So, maybe Alias isn't the best example.
If no one else has suggested it, allow me to put forward:
"showruiner".
I have to concur with RabbitEars365. It is unfair to blame certain story choices on any one producer (or a team of producers in this case), even if they are the showrunner(s). [Breen & Schapker were indeed showrunners on Brothers & Sisters, but not Alias.]
It is sometimes hard to explain to people who lack an intimate knowledge of writers rooms and network politics, but television shows are complex machines. Story lines are filtered through a variety of executives, producers and directors before they hit the screen. Many times, someone's name will appear on an episode they didn't wholly write. And other times, they will write something great that they never get credit for.
It seems unfair and confusing sometimes, but it is the business of television.
And on a separate note, why predict the demise of Fringe? I personally think some strong female voices in the writers room would benefit the show greatly!
Tonight's episode of Fringe is HORRIBLE!!!
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