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When Ryan Murphy revealed to The Hollywood Reporter yesterday that Rachel, Finn and Kurt would not be returning to Glee in Season Four because he wanted to keep the show realistic, we had to do a double-take (err, double-read, I guess) . "You can keep them on the show for six years and people will criticize you for not being realistic," he said, "or you can be really true to life and say when they started the show they were very clearly sophomores and they should graduate at the end of their senior year." In any other context, we might applaud this sentiment, but in this case, it's just plain delusional. Glee could claim to be many things that we'd let slide, but realistic? Glee hasn't been realistic since day one -- in fact, part of why it was so unintentionally funny (and now just consistently frustrating) is because of how unrealistic it was. For example, here are ten utterly unbelievable things that have taken place on Glee -- but keep in mind, this is just a small sampling.
10. The "Umbrella/Singing in the Rain" Number
Budget has always been the main problem plaguing the Glee Club -- it's why Sue Sylvester wants to take them down, it's why they can always barely afford transportation to competitions and it's why Principal Figgins spent the first two seasons threatening to put an end to the club. But guess what they do have enough money for? Matching trench coats, umbrellas and the sudden appearance of a rain machine in the auditorium. That's right, pouring rain for the sake of a number no one will see. Which means they also had the money to take care of the damage likely done to the stage. (They must have made more from that pot brownie bake sale than we thought.)
9. No Parents at Performances
The only parents we really know of are Burt Hummel, Kurt's dad, and his wife Carole, who is Finn's mom. Neither is ever seen at competitions, even though they have two sons in Glee Club. Remember "A Night of Neglect," when the Glee kids couldn't get anyone to come to their benefit? Where were all of their parents? As far as we know, Rachel has two gay dads that are very supportive of her ambitions (there's a stage in her basement), but we've yet to see them show up. Quinn and her mother reconciled when Quinn had her baby, but we haven't seen her since. And every single other Glee Club member somehow does not have parents that we know of.
8. Sue Sylvester Still Has a Job
Remember when she blackmailed Figgins? Made Coach Beiste dog poop cookies? Tried to shoot Brittany out of a cannon? Sue (much like Will Schuster, for other reasons) would be fired after any one of these offenses, but she somehow still has a job and is still terrorizing students and teachers alike. No matter how well her cheer team does, Sue staying at McKinley is one of the most unrealistic development on all of recent TV.
7. Unprepared for Nationals
Not even Mr. Schue would let his Glee kids leave for New York without at least one song prepared. Even more unrealistic: the fact that a bunch of high school kids could write songs like "Light Up the World" and "Pretending" in a matter of hours in their hotel rooms (while they weren't as good as "Loser Like Me," they were still professional-quality tunes). While we're sure there are young, talented songwriters out there, there's just no way this could ever happen. (Side note: the girls' dresses at Nationals were Betsey Johnson -- totally affordable! -- and not one parent showed up.)
6. Terri the School Nurse
Terri quite literally showed up one day and just decided she was McKinley's nurse. Not only is this completely illegal -- she had absolutely no health training -- she also just fed the kids pseudoephedrine to keep them "alert" and suffered no consequences for it. We're pretty sure this would mean jail time in the real world. Another unrealistic Terri storyline: faking her pregnancy for months on end (and Will taking so long to realize). She's got a visible baby bump and he has yet to touch it or even look at it? Alrighty, then...
5. Finn Magically Knocks Up Quinn
Speaking of pregnancy, Finn believing he could impregnate Quinn without having sex with her was entirely unrealistic. Finn is stupid, but he's not that stupid. No one is. There's enough middle and high school sex education classes for him to know that getting pregnant from kissing in a hot tub is not possible. Especially when you keep have bathing suits on. (Yep, they both did, and Finn still believed he got Quinn pregnant. And Ryan Murphy thinks the actor's age is the unrealistic part?)
4. Dr. Feelgood
While John Stamos' stint as Emma's dentist hubby was awesome, his willingness to nitrous oxide-up his patients was as unrealistic as it gets. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Santana's teeth, but she asked for a cleaning so he can put her under -- and he obliged. (We won't even get into Brittany and Santana meeting up in each other's anesthesia-induced fantasies to enact the same Britney Spears music video.)
3. Those Sets!
Another budget complaint: the Rocky Horror Picture Show's the elaborate set (a working elevator), costumes (the girls' maids costume was literally identical to the movie's) and props (where did Carl get a motorcycle?). The Glee club can't afford a ramp for Artie's wheelchair to get him on the bus to Sectionals, but they can meticulously recreate Rocky Horror on stage?
2. Kurt's clothing
Kurt's dad Burt is a mechanic, but Kurt somehow manages to afford Alexander McQueen sweaters and Marc Jacobs blazers -- designer clothing -- for his daily outfits. Is there a fashion charity out there in Ohio?
1. No "Memory"
And finally, perhaps the most egregiously unrealistic moment: Rachel, a musical theater expert extraordinaire and worshipper of all things Barbra and Patti, DID NOT KNOW that Cats had ended its Broadway run eleven years ago. Just. Not. Possible.
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THANK. YOU. While some of the ridiculousness in the beginning such as how crazy Sue is or the Terri fake pregnancy storyline I never minded, it's just gotten out of hand. Those things were fun in the beginning, even Terri handing out pseudoephedrine, because they were still funny, and the show had a much more satirical feel in the beginning.
But trying to tell me Glee is realistic? No way. I've been waiting forever to hear some one agree with me on the big-budgeted numbers and the unpreparedness for competitions. It's what's made Glee harder and harder for me to watch every time.
R. Murphy should just go with the crazy. Finn's already 30ish. And, though Lea M. and Cory M. annoy me, they are huge parts in the premise. Most of all, Glee without Kurt? Really? And Chris C. is one of the few actors who is actually relatively close in age to the character. Ok, maybe not Finn. But without Rachel and Kurt, it falls apart (in my opinion). Love me some Brit-brit and the rest, but really.
*sigh* I do watch Glee, but the farther along we go, the more of a freaking NUTJOB I've come to belive Ryan Murphy is, starting (continuing?)with calling Kings of Leon homophobes for not wanting him to wreck one of their songs and moving onto this bizarre attempt to weave "realism" into the most unrealistic show I've ever watched. Trying to decide if I'm going to keep watching....
A small grievance, but wasn't Finn suppose to be a year older than Rachel - making him a senior LAST season? Did he flunk out? And wouldn't this 'realism' make every character graduate?
Mercedes dancing on the hood of Kurt's SUV with full Cheerios dance and vocal backup? Is Ryan saying that actually happened? The whole show is one big montage. Run with it.
Word. Also: EVERY SINGLE SCENE in the NYC finale was really unrealistic. If they had such budget constraints that they all had to share a hotel room- why were they there three days before the competition? And that date with Finn and Rachel, where they visit every single iconic location in NYC, but not in any geographically logical order?! COME ON! And don't even get me started with Kurt and Rachel on the Wicked set...
However, I'd watch a spinoff of just Kurt, or of Brittany and Santana, but I think I'm just about done with the regular show.
I actually think the showrunner wants to cycle out the stars of the show before their contracts run out and demand much higher salaries per episode due to their popularity. Bring in a bunch of no-names and let the music carry the show.
In terms of being a "realistic" show, I think Glee is very similar to the fantasy scenes in the movie "Sucker Punch". When it's time to perform, the audiences' brains create a collective hallucination where anything is possible. We never actually see the real performances.
Or not. Who cares, in the words of William Shatner, "It's just a TV show!"
Some things are dream sequences (Mercedes's Bust Your Windows number) but others are clearly supposed to be "reality." Ryan Murphy lost me when he tried to turn this once biting and really funny show into a giant PSA/after school special meant to change lives.
Not to mention the slushy attacks. I really think they would probably meet the criminal definition of assault, but they are just "one of those things" at McKinley High.
Totally agree. Ryan Murphy should just be honest and say that he doesn't want to pony up for the stars of the show. People who watch Glee already let A LOT slide with this show's lack of continuity but to say its for realism is just an insult.
Let's be honest; most of them probably should have "graduated" at the end of this year, to leave the stench of the awful Season 2 behind them as quickly as possible without it tainting their prospects for future work.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of the big musical numbers, like Singin in the rain/umbrella, are fantasy, not really as big as that. Because if you watch when this kids actually perform in front of a crowd, the sets and stuff are very basic.
Another budget thing, the costumes, maybe, just maybe, the kids have to buy their own. When I was in drama club we had to pay to rent/buy our costumes. We rented from a catalog, which can explain how the girls all get the same dresses and what not.
I totally agree about the lack of parents.
As for the Finn/Quinn/Puck pregnancy thing. Yes there are teenagers uneducated enough to believe that a girl can get pregnant in a hot tub, fully clothed, because, let's face it, they're called swimmers for a reason.
You do have to suspend reality a lot when watching this show. Take it all with a grain of salt.
If they had the kids staying around forever then people would complain about the ridiculousness of it. I think they can't win no matter what they do.
Surely Puck, Santanna, Quinn and Finn were Seniors this year??? Without even dipping into the causal relationship this show has for timelines, reality and previous storylines - I thought that was established at least... as if a sophmore would be head cheerleader or captain of the football team
I've made the choice to go with the ridiculous and watch for the musical numbers - but I am glad they are making the kids graduate and getting a new main cast. Maybe bringing some new blood to the show will perk it up.
I do think it's pretty ridiculous to cite concerns over realism as a reason to make any decision on a show that makes Warehouse 13 and The Walking Dead look like documentaries by comparison.
I can not believe that Puck is still going to be a part of the cast. He looks as old as Finn does.
So Brittany slept with all of the football team during her, what, freshman year? Gross. And possibly illegal. As for Quinn, Finn and Puck...they certainly acted like Seniors (head cheerleader, Captain of football team and School Bully, respectively) in Season 1. So realism has nothing to do with this decision.
I can't believe you forgot the biggest one: the amazing growth rate of Beth Puckman-Fabray-Cochran! Not even ten weeks after conception she had discernible genital organs, she was a month premature and yet was the size of a six month old!
And then there is the rate of birth- Mercedes was in the delivery room with Quinn and still made it back in time for the results. Actually, Rachel was able to tell Shelby that it was "a healthy baby girl" before Vocal Adrenaline was done their number. I know Bohemian Rhapsody is a long song, but come on!
Where to begin? There are so many dumb things in Glee. I'm happy to write off a lot of things. Sure these kids, week after week, say, "Let's put on a show," and they do. I've been in choirs and learning new songs took a lot of time. But it's fun to see Broadway level tunes so I let that slide. I may overlook the fact that Finn and Sam were the star quarterbacks as opposed to a senior or that Quinn was head cheerleader in what is now known to be her freshman year. The show wanted archetypes, jocks, cheerleaders, divas, nerds, juvenile delinquents, etc. It's basically an 80's music with more show tunes. These are the things that really bug me: Earlier this season, Finn ended up in the nurses office. He told Rachel they were through yet Quinn walked away seeming to know he was still into Rachel. Then Rachel sings Firework so we all know she found her inner strength and she just needed to move on. Yay Rachel for having the good sense to give up and live her life. An episode later, she was back to pining for Finn. It would have been so cool if she had given up and focused on being happy instead pining over him and trying any devious method to bring them together. It diminished her character and the impact that would have been felt if Finn realized he was into her because Quinn really didn't care about him. Basically, all the relationships are kind of dumbly written. I get that being a teenager means you are going to be dumb in love. I get dysfunction. What I don't understand is why the entanglements make no sense. Write "real", don't drag shit out, flesh out the characters so they don't all look like douches - I'm looking at you Puck and Sue. So much wasted potential.
I agree with everything, but as for the dentist-Stamos story-line, now we all know how dentists Really make their money, don't we?
Completely agree with you on the suspending reality for performances angle. Murphy has always done this, a great example were his blown out of proportion characters on "Popular".
I concur with everything stated in the article. I don't mind the kids graduating...I'm really tired of all their stories. No one cares about Finn and Rachel. Rachel has become too annoying (I'm an independent woman-no, I can't write a good song unless I'm after Finn) to care about this season. Finn has no continuity or redeeming qualities after dumping Rachel for cheating on him, lying about Santana, having Quinn cheat on Sam with him, and then wanting Rachel back only after she and Jessie get together...and this is my protagonist-I wanna drop-kick him. Kurt will be the most missed...but even his story got boring this season. It would have been much more effective if it had more consistency-that's another whole post though. I just don't see this show making it much longer.
Yet another reason: continuity is much easier when you don't have to remember the character's backstory from three years back.
Did I say years? I meant episodes.
I always thought of Glee (at least in the start) as a humorous commentary on High School, High School as portrayed on TV and current American Society. It does have a certain cartoon-likeness to it. Like the roadrunner and the wolf running off the cliff and then hanging in the air.
What I am trying to say is that continuity is not important if you're not trying to tell a story with a punchline, but have fun with stereotypes. And every single character in Glee is a stereotype. but it's fun (or was)
I've always had a problem with the age/time thing but other shows like Fame have had the same issue. Kurt was driving in the first season (Mercedes' song about breaking all the windows out) so shouldn't that have made him at least 16 then? Did he start school late? Fail some classes? (Maybe all that transferring between schools)?
Could not agree more with everything on this list! And while we're talking about completely unrealistic things on this show...
1. When they get slushied, it isn't just on their faces but all over their clothes. And yet in their very next scene, they're perfectly cleaned up, not even a hint of a red stain or at least a wet stain where they washed the slushy away. Do they just keep identical outfits in their lockers every single day, just in case?
2. The band. Are we actually to believe that there is a band program at this school, but it exists purely to back up the Glee club? Don't most Glee clubs perform a cappella or with one pianist or at best with a prerecorded musical soundtrack? Why are the band kids not considered even bigger losers than the Glee kids for being at their beck and call? Every time Rachel feels like singing the whole band drops everything and shows up??
3. Their insistance every week that every song they're singing is preparing for nationals/regionals/whatever-nals. And yet, with the exception of "Don't Stop Believin' " we have never seen them sing a song during a competition that they've actually sung before. (The NY episode was the absolute worst instance of that.)
4. The kids insist they're such losers and everyone hates them. And yet they are the sole entertainment at the prom, and every school performance they've done (except the classroom Christmas carols and the night of neglect benefit) has been packed with cheering students. Um...
5. Along those lines, why are they so convinced that everything they do within the Glee club will affect their reputation at the school? Like Finn being so concerned for Sam when he decided to sing a duet with Kurt, arguing that the whole school would think he was gay and he'd no longer be considered cool. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't those duets simply for a Glee club competition, to be performed for the other Glee club members only? Why do they think that the entire school ignores/hates them and yet are also acutely aware of every move they make in an after-school club?
I'm just saying, I stopped watching this show for consistency or realism ages ago and am pretty much in it for the musical numbers. What year they're all in was the least of their problems.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that finn and quinn and puck were all supposed to be a year ahead of Rachel, so they should have been seniors.
Okay, seriously. Get over the whole "realism" thing in Glee. Of course it's not realistic, it's a TV show. Especially get over the fact that they never rehearse. I was in a highly competitive, extremely good high school choir (fine arts school), and you know what we did all year? We rehearsed. Over and over and over again. We probably learned 20 songs in a YEAR. Why? Because that's what you do. You not only sing the same song 100 times, you sing the same part of that same song 500 times. Do you want to watch that? Hint, no you don't. It's boring as hell and not a good TV show. Glee has plenty of problems, but not showing them rehearsing endlessly is not one of them.
Of course this decision is not about realism. It's about how every other show attempting to keep characters on after they graduate has failed. I doubt Ryan Murphy wants his show to fail.
I wouldn't mind the lack of realism on glee, since that's what made the show fun. What annoys me is that they also expect us to take plot lines serious. It's making it impossible for me to handwave all the comedy BS.
Word X 10! Every single one of those contributed to me finally quitting the show, because I just couldn't take it anymore - the absurdity, the lack of continuity, all of it started to really outweigh the fun parts. There are some cast members I still like and wish well, and some of the music was great, but beyond that, it became a giant waste of potential in my eyes. So to here Murphy claiming he's shedding cast members for "realism" is hilarious.
Oh, and don't forget Rachel's birth mother deciding she wants a baby and then instantly adopting Quinn's like she was picking up groceries. Was there a barcode on the diaper and a check out at the nurse's station?
I should have known better, the show turned out to be a typical Ryan Murphy show - a fun, interesting, different first season, followed by overblown dreck that lost its core appeal.
And lets not forget that even though the kids in the glee club are the biggest losers ever in school, they (other than Karofsky) were the only ones who ran for prom king and queen.
You could make this list a top 100 reason and still have more.
I care about Rachel, when given good writing she is the best character on the show. Kurt I love him but her is so after school special it takes away the fun of the show.
In Born this way Quinn says she is 17 and Rachel says she is 16.
So let me get this straight. The Glee Club needs a second chaperone for Sectionals, but Will can take them to NEW YORK by himself and basicially leave the kids by themselves anyway?
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