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I'm not sure how many there are of us left, but I know I can't be the only person who has faithfully watched Weeds from day one up until last night's season -- and possibly series, if Showtime doesn't renew -- finale. Even if you haven't seen the series completely through, the fact that you made it through this season is frankly pretty impressive. It's had its high points (everything with Pouncy House, Shane's story arc, shreds of Andy growing up, even some Doug moments) and serious lows (Nancy never ever changing ever, Silas constantly pouting, the whole Stevie thing, as if we're supposed to give a shit), but if what we saw in the final moment of "Do Her/Don't Do Her" truly was the close to seven long seasons of seeing the rise and fall and rise and fall and several more rounds of both of Nancy Botwin... well then I would be sorely disappointed, for more reasons than one.
Doug's Ending
Let's just get this out of the way: The fact that Kevin Nealon has stayed on this show since the pilot is baffling. Doug has definitely made me laugh over the years, but it's been seasons since I've actually enjoyed any of his storylines in the context of the larger conflicts of the series. For a while there, it was just Doug either being an insufferable moron or an enormous asshole. Would a family this dysfunctional really let an idiot and a liability like Doug hang with them for so long? His Season 7 story arc was maybe the most skillfully integrated one in years, but the way it ended was wholly unsatisfying. The two month jump taught us nothing about whether or not he still had a job (did I miss something?) and all we really learned from our time spent with Doug is that he still knows how to fuck his way out of trouble while balancing books.
Shane's Ending
What even happened with Shane? He spent the entire season sucking up to his mother for, you know, doing jail time for his murder, but then at the end of the series decided that his loyalty really lies with Detective Ouelette, and now he's in the police academy with the intention of one day ratting out his mother? Gotta say, I'm having a hard time following the character motivation on this one. If the writers really want us to believe Shane would change in such a fundamental way, why not have him join the Police Academy a few episodes before the series finale? Even as a season finale, the pace was all wrong. At what point in those two months did he join the Academy? Has it changed his relationship with his family at all? I guess they're not supposed to know about it, given the very subtle move of Shane keeping his police hat in his bag.
Silas' Ending
Jesus, talk about half measures. It was interesting to see Silas finally cutting the cord, starting his own business and royally screwing over his mom by calling Jill over to New York to ruin any chance of Nancy getting custody of Stevie... except, before we even got to spend any time with Jill, Silas immediately regretted his actions and felt terrible for being a shitty son. Is there no growth? Are we supposed to believe that Silas won't blow up at Nancy in the near future about once again bossing him around? Or is the little space she carved out for him in Connecticut supposed to smooth over all of their woes? And is everything with Pouncy House Emma just totally gone, and she's not seeking any revenge from Nancy? What's next, is Silas going to having sex with Quinn under a missing skylight in Agrestic again?
Andy's Ending
Charles' funeral supposedly taught Andy a lot about life and making peace, but it was too little too late for me. I think that in order to prove that Andy has truly grown up, we would either need to see him leave Nancy's universe for good, or -- and I hate to fall on convention -- actually settle down and have a real adult relationship. Sure, in seven seasons he has learned to compromise and is currently at peace with his life, but a few frustrating Nancy moves would likely set him off again.
Nancy's Ending
If you're going to kill Nancy by a mysterious shooter at the series finale, at least let us know who's after her. We have no idea what happened in the time jump, and if she is actually dead now and they didn't show her dying, that is just plain cheap. I always hoped Nancy would either stop dealing by the series finale, or die of a heart attack like her late first husband. Adapt and change, or die unceremoniously... not get murdered by an unknown enemy. She didn't even have that many enemies by finale time. And this Stevie bullshit and everyone happily living on a commune didn't work for me at all. I barely know Jill's kids, I never felt any sort of bond between Nancy and Stevie, I thought that Nancy had good rapport with Jill's husband and I don't believe he just wouldn't be invited to live in Connecticut... this freaking show.
Half of me hopes that it gets renewed for an eighth season and Jenji Kohan works herself out of this corner, and the other half wants to light Weeds on fire, hit it with a croquet mallet and just surrender it to the FBI already. Unless they bring back Celia, obviously.
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Couldn't disagree with you more on each and every point. This was a terrific series finale and if they renew the show and find some contrived way for Nancy to be alive, I will be very angry. This is the only way the show really could have ended and it was done so well.
You complain about not knowing who shot Nancy, but not knowing is the most brilliant part of the finale. Over the course of the series, Nancy has made so many enemies and ruined so many lives that there are a ton of people who could still be holding a grudge, and the fact that the shooter could be any way of them really is a clever way to end this series.
I didn't get the impression that Shane plans on turning his mother in at all. The reason he signed up for the police academy was to prevent the cop from going after Nancy.
Silas shouldn't have forgiven Nancy so easily, but it fits with the show because everyone forgives Nancy because they can't help themselves.
Andy's ending was very poignant I thought. Sure, he'll stick around and visit with his family but I don't think he will ever be sucked in the way he once was.
Please, Showtime and Jenji Kohan, let this show end with the greatness of this finale. A season of hijinks of them all living together would remove all the power of this perfect ending.
If you think this finale is great you lack the credibility to critique any show.
This show has been on life support for the last 2 seasons and this ending was cheap and pointless. How many times can the writers change the setting of Nancy Botwins debacles before people stop giving a shit?
Much like Dexter and Entourage, I've been watching just to see it through to the end...but feel the show has been struggling for years now.
And punking the Sopranos closing scene was abysmal. Though I would like to know who pulled the trigger.
That's your opinion, but I would have to say the same to you if you think the show should continue. Pay attention to Nancy's character over the course of seven years and this is the perfect ending for her.
If it was over we would've seen the bullet kill her. This isn't a difficult corner to write out of, compared to season 5 finale this is cake. I agree with the overall critique but for many Weeds fans its the humor and clever twist they plug into every episode. The archs and overtones of each story are there because the growth in each character shows a hint of what you would expect. The fact that Nancy has not "changed" throughout the last few seasons shows how great the writing is and how psychotic and out of touch Nancys character has become. If this were the end I atleast wish they would've shown her die. If this isn't the end then I look forward to watching Nancy's character overcome brain damage and come back kill bill style to settle the score, or atleast watch someone get killed.
I like this review. i love how it's based on their endings. Definitely something to read if you are a fanatic like me. I would like you to take time and see my review as well on the season finale and the Weeds show future http://bit.ly/qvjBlK
Thanks
The fact that the shooter was anonymous was a fantastic idea, she had made so many enemies over the years, including a gottdamn mexican cartel, that it's way more realistic that she's shot just when she thought her past was behind her..
All of y'all who think this show should end this way ARE YOU GUYS SHARING THE SAME CRACK AS CHARLIE SHEEN!!!!!!!! This show shouldnt end like this... Come on! Nancy shot! Seven years I followed this show this is horrible!!! If You wanna end the show do it gracefully in season eight!! Not like this in punk ass season 7!!!!!! How y'all gonna end this half- assed? NOT EFFIN COOL!!!!!!
Has noone picked up on the fact that Shane joined the Police Academy to SAVE HIS MOTHER? Not so he can later rat her out. Sure he's always been interested in having power over people, since everyone has always had power over him and his family. But, in the scene where Ouelette says "I'm gonna slap cuffs on Lady Botwin" Shane begs and pleads, saying he will do anything. Ouelette tells Shane if he joins the academy he will spare his mother. That's the pressing reason why Shane joined.
I hope to god Nancy isn't dead. She is the life of the show. As for the people who want it cancelled, DON'T WATCH IT ANYMORE.
The shooter HAS to be Esteban. Yeah, they said he was found dead. However, he was the head of a HUGE Mexican drug cartel/MOB. If he wanted to fake his death, he could have done so quite easily. Especially if they extradited him to Mexico to do his time, (I don't think he was an American citizen so it's possible) he could have payed off the prison(the guy was loaded) in order to get Nancy not to go into witness protection. I'm not sure why he would have waited such a long time to do it though. Possibly because he wanted to get Stevie and kill Nancy at the same time, and they had just then all gotten together so it was the perfect time.
Either way, I want Guillermo to come back.
I disagree with this review. As for Doug's ending, Nancy says that the Connecticut compound was thanks to a generous donation from Doug Wilson. So after the two month jump, it's obvious that Doug still has a job or at least left the job with A LOT of money. As for Shane's ending, you couldn't have been more off. Shane did not join the police academy to eventually turn Nancy in. The only way that he could've prevented Ouelette from arresting Nancy was to join the police academy. He made a huge sacrifice to protect his mother. And you said that Nancy didn't have that many enemies....which show have you been watching?? The last seven years have been about Nancy accumulating enemies. There are SO many people who could've been the shooter. I think this ending was good, whether it's the season or series finale. It's a way of saying you can't outrun your past and that it will always catch up with you. It also makes Nancy more human and less heroic. Because in the end she was taken out cleanly and easily by one of many eligible enemies. I do hope that the series continues but if it doesn't, I am satisfied.
The screen goes to black before the gun goes off, and prior to the shooter zeroing in on Nancy, he lingers on several other characters. They don't show the shooter, so you don't know the motives behind the hit. Esteban would never shoot Nancy in front of his child, it's too incongruous with the way Esteban treated him in prior episodes.
I love love the show, however I am afraid we won't see any new episodes. RIP Nancy.
Those of you that think this is a good series finale are doing all the heavy lifting for the writers; there are far too many unanswered questions to satisfy (most?) longtime viewers. I'm assuming the whole episode was a ploy to have Showtime bring the series back for another season, while simultaneously giving a small amount of closure should Weeds not be renewed. As I understood it, this was the finale; however, everything was left W-I-D-E open -- which I have to believe is for the possibility of renewal. I like Weeds, and have from the beginning; I have a feeling that most of you do, too, regardless of points of contention. As someone mentioned above, if you don't like it, turn it off -- why keep watching (unless you're fulfilling some jones for dysfunction).
Not wanting an eighth season has nothing to do with not liking the show. I've loved Weeds since the very beginning and I want to see it go out the way it deserves to, which is exactly what happened last night. Renewing the show and having the bullet miss Nancy or not be fatal takes away from the powerful ending. The show has had a long life and this is the perfect place to end it. People keep complaining about unresolved issues but there really weren't any that need to be resolved. The only thing I can think of is Celia, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if it means the rest of the series ends the way it did. Great conclusions for all characters.
Ouelette is the shooter, he's pissed that Shane left the academy to see his F'd up family. (who gets a break from Academy before the end, unless you go AWOL? ) Ouelette is the shooter because he's still furious aboout being made a fool.
Jenji Kohan talks about this episode setting up season 8 on sho.com She also said the shooter is from a few seasons back. I can't keep track of Nancy's still alive enemies but what happened to the gay DEA/FBI guy whose partner was killed?
I loved the ending and think that the series should go out with this. The show has been on life support (for me, S2, 3, 4, 6 and 7 were on life support, but I am a crazy fan of the characters). Anyway, perfect ending for Nancy. We don't need to know any more. Probably the thugs from San Diego anyway.
It'd be a great setup for season 8 without the mystery shooter angle. New suburban town, back to the Agrestic ways that made seasons 1-3 so great.
As far as Doug goes, he's always been an insufferable moron. Always. That's what made his character great. Sadly, the best Doug moment (hell, of this season), was where he wasn't an insufferable moron (the SEC rant).
Wow, pretty severe case of not getting it.
Doug doesn't still have a job. He made a ton of money, but then is in Connecticut dues to taking the fall as was implied earlier in the episode when he shuns the auditor he was banging. I thought it didn't take much to piece that together.
Why on earth would anyone conclude Shane was going to turn against his mother? Him in the cadets with the cop watching just shows what Shane meant when he told the cop he could give him what he wants (a protege he could have faith in)...to STOP HIM FROM BUSTING NANCY.
As for the rest of the characters, I agree their story was sort of wrapped up a but, but it also conveniently skipped ahead two months, and except for possibly Nancy, life goes on for the supporting cast. No need to tidy up everyone's life and display the final result like Six Feet Under. ;P
Doesn't anyone think Guillermo is the shooter?
Saw every episode since day 1 and this season was so boring. It was like work to sit there there. Only watched because I was too invested and had to see it through.
From the beginning the show is always = Shits and Fresh Start, Shits and Fresh Start and then again SHIT AND FRESH START! it wont be renewed, if you check on wikipedia the viewers for season 7 have drop so low that showtime probably consider reviving united states of tara.
What Josh said.
What Josh said.
Shane didn't join the police academy out of loyalty to Ouellete. He did it to save his mother from being arrested. Ouelette doesn't give a fuck about Nancy's pot business and he got what he wanted, which is a bright future for Shane in the NYPD.
Shane loves the power that he's gonna get but he has an intuitive sense that nothing is forever. I think he can happily walk away from the NYPD at any point and not look back.
Also, the question about whether Doug has his job now was answered by the fact that 2 months later he made a significant investment to the Botwin compound. Jolene said he's got another month, so he clearly was able to extend that.
The best thing about Weeds is that you have to think to get the answers, they're all there. Except if Nancy is dead. We don't have enough clues to know that yet.
How about a Full Length Movie in the future?
BRING CONRAD, CELIA, AND GUILLERMO BACK
Estaban and Ignacio "took him out" in Nancy's bedroom just after he made a pass at Ignacio and peed his pants. Remember now? What about Peter's wife or son, Pilar's people, Pouncy House girl, and yes what about Estaban? Is he really dead? Oh well the story's been draging for a while. I can't see Nancy catching a bullet in the head and Jill taking over. It would be awful. JJL doesn't have the personality of MLP - sorry Jennifer!
Lay off Josh he makes a great point. It was a greatseries finale and the only way out is to make up another cheesey move plot line. Great finale! Sorry you need every detail to "understand". Most intelligent people appreciate creative license to figure it out themselves. Don't get me wrong im going to miss this show a lot, I've been loyal since day 1 and never strayed, but the ending fit!
HORRIBLE ENDING !
This was just the cherry on top of a dying TV series. If Jenji wanted to kill off Nancy...LET THE AUDIENCE KNOW...'HEY SHE'S DEAD' !
Busting a Soprano's ending is cheap and fake. If you want to kill off Nancy, a sniper doesn't work. She should die in something COMPLETELY unrelated to the show, like a subway crash.
Nancy is too good at her job to get taken out by a sniper
My idea of what happened after the credits rolled is the sniper missed (obviously) and Shane shoots the sniper. Nancy's annoying sister (forgot the annoying bitchs name) gets really pissed and takes Stevie and the twins away. Now as usual Nancy is on the run from who ever was after to kill her. It is later revealed to be Esteban, he faked his death. The end of the episode should be that Esteban finds Stevie with the sister and is about to kill her until Nancy and the gang appear and kill Esteban!
Nancy relizes the life she leads is terrible but says "hey thats life" and the series ends !
THERE !!
Who says Nancy is dead? This is VERY easy to write for another season. We hear a shot. That's it. How do we know Nancy was shot? Really? For all we know someone has just shot the shooter. Perhaps Shane, now a cop, has a bead on the shooter and the cops have been laying in wait. Simple.
Why would Ouellete want Shane to be a part of the NYPD, considering the hurt and rage towards him and Nancy that he was displaying?? That makes no sense at all! My thoughts are that Shane knew where Nancy was taking that pot back too, and gave Ouellette that prize bust to redeem himself. Does anybody really think that Shane saying "I'll join the academy" in that scene would really work?. Come on! Ouellette would of laughed in his face and told him to get the F out! The only way Shane was going to help Nancy would of been to give up the big bust!....The weed Nancy gave back! Right after that scene we see Nancy giving the weed back...come on people! Thats what Shane gave Ouellete! Wake up! That's what would have given Shane back his credibility and impressed Ouelette again. Ouelette was ticked and hurt! You think Shane saying "I'll join the force" at that moment would have went over?? No freaking way! Give me a break! I could be wrong but come on. Shane gave Oulette the bust, that's what I think got him into the academy!
Cannot disagree more about what you guys say about Shane's story. I have my own opinion. The only thing that Ouellete wanted in the series was to have his son back - probably become something like his father and so joining the * academy. That's the only think thing Shayne can offer. Remember he was being asked about his step fathers? So in the last scene he is training in the academy in front of the happy look of Ouellette who gets to become something like proper father after all.
And Doug does keep his job. It was mentioned in the last scene that all was with the help of his funding. So it's easy to admit that he has kept the job. His ending was pretty nice actually. Councelor Doug once again becoming something important as CFO. He finishes the circle. He used to have a nice a life in the first seasons, than was completely miserable for the next until now he once again finds his plays.
Silas' ending was ok too. Nancy admits finally that he should lead his own life and is an adult and he gets peace with her. He's been struggling to find his place in the family and he has.
I didn't like Andy's ending. Didn't really get the point of it. He doesn't seem changed to me. The whole idea with the legit business is rather more like common Andy style: have a strange idea and leave it soon. I expected more from him but also hoped will somehow stay in the family.
Nancy's s end was just brilliant. The best of all. She's been escaping death so many times in the show and just now after everything has worked fine she gets killed. Perfect really. It comes to show us that there is no way to actually always be lucky and at the very end the inevitable happens. She's been so close but yet not enough. And the killer staying anonymous is also good thing. She has made so many enemies and ruined so many lives. What difference does it make. We shouldn't focus on whose revenge on Nancy this is but on how it has come to this.
This was definitely a series finale (or at least it should be). It's over because everybody had found closure regarding one big factor in their lives: they no longer need Nancy.
Silas finally has the economic autonomy to get his own thing going. Emotionally, he had agreed to break from the Botwins practically since the first season,but Nancy relented at last and gave him his own industrial base in Connecticut.
Shane has his emotional closure as he now has found that fsther figure in Det. Ouelette (although I feel this was rendered tenuously, but still, it seems that he too has found what he had been looking for).
Stevie (who always seemed like an afterthought in the series) has a home with Jill and, despite her being judgmental, at least the little kid won't end up wearing cement booties one day under her care.
Doug, it seems has his sordid life back on track, despite the threats from the SEC that he'd lose his position. Although they never followed up on that. I guess he banged that auditor again and everything was gravy.
Andy apparently decided to stop acting like Duckie from Pretty In Pink and came to some emotional settlement during that funeral (Jenji rushed through that one big time, but either way-he doesn't need Nancy anymore).
And neither do we. Really, the only thing I believe that Jenji could wrench out of this series is to make "Weeds: Season Zero" or something. It could detail the life of a young Nancy and end with her marriage to Judah.
But that's stupid.
Regarding Doug: it is certainly possible that he took the fall for the company and was rewarded with a large severance package (hence the "Wilson Fund"). Putting a down payment on a compound — at least 3 houses — might be plausible on a CFO's salary, but I think most of the clues point to a golden parachute situation for Doug.
Shane's last few scenes left me confused about his ending. Like Tony, I have trouble believing that offering to join the NYPD would be enough to satisfy Ouellete's anger. Ouellete wouldn't just let Shane pass the criminal justice course, much less the police academy if he thought Shane might turn out to be a crooked cop. Tony's explanation that Shane offered Ouellete a bust in the form of the weed-stuffed animal Nancy returned to Haylia could have been enough to convince Ouellete that Shane was going to become a cop to stop his mother's drug dealing. Problem is, I don't recall any evidence that Shane even knew that Nancy was going to get the pot back from Dimitri or return it to Haylia.
I'm still unconvinced. The last thing Ouellete said was "What the fuck do you have that I want? You tell me, what the fuck you have that I want." I really can't think of anything besides the "loyal protege" theory and that still doesn't seem like enough to win the detective over.
Anyone have any other theories?
"If you're going to kill Nancy by a mysterious shooter at the series finale, at least let us know who's after her." My guess one of military dudes friends or sister. Its the most recent conflict, and the persons dressed in the green military garb with a pro scope.
Nancy couldve been killed by one of pilars guys or guillarmos guys or even helias guys.. lets not forget about caesar who was the close personal friend of estebon.. or how about the son of the dea agent she was married to and got killed? They could even say it was someone working for the gay prison chic.. to say she didnt have any enemies.. dude? did you pay attention at all?
Nancy HAD so many enemies. This stupid show always kills them off camera or come sup with a reason for them to no longer be after her. The show went downhill once they left Agrestic with hit and miss seasons after that. Seven was excruciating.
She wasn't shot. The guy pointing the gun with a silencer was shot. The loud bang couldn't have come from a gun with a silencer.
yeah Guillermo was good. one of the few characters that actually seems dangerous.